Glass thickness for a 96"x16"x10"(H) ?

slevesque

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Glass thickness for a 96"x16"x10"(H) ?

I found a calculator. It suggest 6mm but with an addition of 4 braces of 15cm wide. That doesn't sound pretty since it would be an open top.

Would it be possible to build such a tank without an inside rim or central brace? Or with only an inside rim?
 
Unless this is for a frag tank or a special species only tank, I would stay away from these dimensions. You will be very very very limited in aquascaping.

If its for a frag tank, then good choice..
 
It's not for a frag tank. From my own experience and after looking at many many tanks on the net I realized I prefer long and shallow tanks. With only 1/2" of sand it leaves enough room for aquascaping a lagoon-like tank, I think. I tend to dislike wide open water space where you can see the back glass. Of course it limits my choice to small fishes but that's what I prefer anyway.

10" is the height of a 5G tank and I find it limit high!
 
New dim 96x24x10

New dim 96x24x10

No tank builders around ? :)

I changed the dimension for 96x24x10. So far I got this suggestion: 6mm (1/4) for the bottom panel and 10mm (3/8) for the sides and the inside rim (at the top). All supported by a 3/4" plywood and styrofoam.

Should look like this (with 5g pail for the scale):

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This is so great. You'll love it.

I built a 96"x12"x12" a few years back using 1/4" thick glass. I braced it with some wood supports that were fairly unique to the installation in my apartment, placing the braces at 30" from each end. I think it was more than was necessary (I'm fairly certain a single brace across the middle would have been sufficient), but the tank was centered on a 3' wide window. That said, I think a pair of braces at roughly 1/3 intervals is prettier than at the halfway point. I wouldn't worry about there being braces across the top distracting from its open nature - since the braces would be tiny compared to the length of the tank, I don't think you'd even notice them.

While I did have some difficulties with arranging interesting rockwork to look like a reef, the lagoon look that resulted had an unexpected charm to it. The fish had a blast with the length, and I had a blast with the panoramic view.

I'll see if I can dredge up some photos of the tank.

Seriously, do this.

Scott
 
Woot :rollface: , thanks sr3w for your reply! My first plan was 96x10x10 for an extra wide bookshelf tank. My FW tank is 12' deep (48x12x18) and I realized it's limit for aquascaping. So I changed my mind for this new project and went to 96x24x10.

I'm still debating between a rim and a wide center brace or even as you suggest 2x 1/3 placed braces. How wide do you suggest for these braces if no rim is present?

I can have the glass cut and polished for 316$can, including diamant glass (starfire equivalent) for the front glass. 76$ extra for the rim. 1/3 of the bil is for the polishing :(

Please find that picture!
 
I contacted Miracles Aquariums for a quote on such a tank. They suggested 1/2" (12mm) glass everywhere, including a 2" eurobrace. They would charge 885$can shipped in my city. It's a good price considering it would be built by professionals but it's still a big chunk of change. It becomes a 200lbs beast!
 
Holy shamoly! The reason why I tend to build my stuff is that I can make it *marginally* cheaper by letting it look junky. You'll see that if I end up being able to find that picture. (I had a hard drive crash a few months back, but I think I backed it up!)

So how were you thinking of lighting this thing? I'm assuming some sort of pendant or such, since you said you wanted the open look - but that's just an assumption!

I really wish you were doing this 800 miles to the south.

Scott
 
Marginally cheaper is music to my ears :). I kind of like "substancially cheaper" as well! Since I live on the second floor, security is a sweet music too! That being said 885$ might put a hold to the project. I'm looking into alternatives like plywood tank lined with pond liner. Or even a plywood tank (for structure ) lined with thin glass (except for the front one) for waterproofness. Same with PVC sheets. As well as you seem to be, I'm not interested in a multi-thousand $ systems. 885$ was about my budget for all the "harware" :)

I would start with a FIOWLR (fish and inverts only with live rock) so the light would probably be PC fluo. Maybe even NO fluo since the very shallow water. You guessed right with the pendant lightning. My actual tank has a closed canopy and I would like an open set-up this time. I might end-up covering the tank with plexi to control evap though.

I'll keep researching and keep you posted with my findings.
 
For something that long, I would look into acrylic. I am made a 96"x7"x10" high aquarium to go on a 1/2 wall in the house out of 1/4" acrylic. Much easier with acrylic... sure, I have 3 cross braces, but I dont mind because the whole top will get a canopy (running 2x54wattT5s on each half of the tank). Its narrow...but thats okay...I used aragacrete to make a narrow rock wall that runs 6' of the tank.
 
If you are using glass, I would certainly go for 10mm all round, if only for peace of mind. The suggestion to use 6mm with a 10mm base would deprive me of a good night's sleep once the tank was filled.
 
hahnmeister: i really considered acrylic for this project. Lightweight and not too pricy, 2 good points. The easy scratchability (compare to glass) made go for glass however. As I'm stepping down from my cloud and back to my real wallet I might reconsider acrylic :). Only problem I dont have a router to make perfect edges. Do you have pics of your tank (even if empty)? At first I didn't expect someone else with 96"xsomethingx10". Found 2 already!

windsor-aquatic: indeed, 10mm seems to be now my minimum for an all glass tank. As suggested by the pros 12mm is safer. Still surprising for such a shallow tank.
 
Usually glass thickness is based on height, with length getting nothing but secondary consideration...but this is an extreme case of where the length's tendency to bow due to its own length is greater than the pressure from height. I would say that the tank would be 100% fine if you built it 'IN PLACE' with nothing but 1/4" glass as long as you used 3 cross braces (every 2 feet). The problem isnt even so much as when the tank is filled, but transport. You just cant safely transport a 6-8' tank if its only got 1/4" glass...its like the carbboard center of a toilet paper roll...only longer. They dont hold up to well. Just imagine if your surface isnt completely level...that glass has to sustain that forever and not crack over the full length...that means thicker glass or a more forgiving material.

This is why I went with Acrylic. I too favor glass to acrylic, but in this case, Ill baby the acrylic if I have to since I can build 3 of the acrylic tanks for the price you are getting for one glass one.
 
Man! What a good post hahnmeister! You are dragging me back to the roots of the project: cheap and DIY :).

I have some 1/4" (6mm) acrylic lying around and after reading your post I just garbed it and flexed it. Man, this is so soft, scary! I would need a wide eurobrace on top of the tank for sure! I'm working on designing an outer wood frame to compensate for a thinner tank.
 
Mine has a 2" cross brace every 2', so thats 3 total. I cut the top out of a solid piece as well like a flange..you know...cut it 7"x96", then cut four 22"x5" square holes in the top.

The scraping the glass was a major concern as well for me....its why I usually stay away from acrylic for tanks...esp in smaller, or in this case, narrower tanks. The rocks are usually just too close to the glass, there isnt alot of clearance, etc. The exact opposite of if I had a 8'x4' tank...there would be 4' of space to move around in and avoid scratching glass...but in smaller tanks I find it just that much more challenging.

My solution was simple...make the rocks to fit the tank. Got out the aragacrete, crushed coral, and southdown (I mix it 1 part portland type 3, 4 parts southdown, and 2 parts crushed coral mostly applied at the surface). The tank will only have a narrow central rock running the length of the tank...about 2" thick in most areas, and up to 9" tall. Along the length there are many shelves and caves, as well as an arch, and a mesa for frags at the crest of the wall running a few feet. The other thing this allows me to do is conceal a closed loop...er...internal closed loop. There is a cave at one end to hold a couple MJ1200 (or a single eheim...I havent decided yet), and the length of the rock (about 6') has three 1/2" PVC pipes inside...like plastic rebar for reinforcement, but I figured I might as well take advantage of it and use the pipes for flow as well. That way I can pipe 600-900gph through the rock to the other end of the tank for some good flow. The overflow is just a 1.5" standpipe in the center of one end of the tank...but you would never see it because its covered in aragacrete. Even the power cord for the MJ1200s will have a crete shroud that conceals them up to the surface.

But not having to monkey with rock placement and bulky rocks that want to roll into the glass will eliminate the paranoia of scratching the acrylic.
 
Excellent idea with the internal pipes! I'm planing to use the Ultimate DIY rock as discribed here .

You need to post some pics soon! Do you have a thread for your tank?
 
I tend to not start threads until the tank is all set up and done. When I am still in the 'building phase', there is still a good chance that I can the whole project. Once I started a thread for when I was adding on a 30B prop tank...upon plumbing it and hearing the drain noise, I canned the whole project and did a 40B with an internal overflow/sump. People got upset that I canned the project mid-setup and had something else entirely within a couple days. So I just wait until everything is up, take pics along the way, and then when everything is done, I have more time to sit back and make a nice thread.

As is, I did change something 'mid-construction' that I forgot about. I was going to make the tank 7" wide so that the railing it would sit on (about 7.5" wide) would still have a slight lip. As I was actually cutting the 96"x7" piece for the bottom, I decided that since I was using acrylic, to make it 8" wide, and then I will add 1/4" channel to the front and back edge so that the tank sits on the railing like a track rather than take the risk of part of it being bumped off or something. So the tank is slightly wider now and will stradle the railing. Another thing came up as well. I have to check the building plans to make sure that the railing is tough enough to have the extra 400lbs sitting on it. Shoulda done this before, but I thought 'sure a wall can withstand that, it should have 6 2x4s for support underneath it'. But someone told me that sometimes, since its not a true wall (just a 1/2 wall), that it might only have 3 or 4 supports under it instead of regular wall construction. so I have to make some holes in the wall to find out. This project might not be worth it in the end.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7694535#post7694535 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slevesque
Marginally cheaper is music to my ears :). I kind of like "substancially cheaper" as well! Since I live on the second floor, security is a sweet music too! That being said 885$ might put a hold to the project. I'm looking into alternatives like plywood tank lined with pond liner. Or even a plywood tank (for structure ) lined with thin glass (except for the front one) for waterproofness. Same with PVC sheets. As well as you seem to be, I'm not interested in a multi-thousand $ systems. 885$ was about my budget for all the "harware" :)

I would start with a FIOWLR (fish and inverts only with live rock) so the light would probably be PC fluo. Maybe even NO fluo since the very shallow water. You guessed right with the pendant lightning. My actual tank has a closed canopy and I would like an open set-up this time. I might end-up covering the tank with plexi to control evap though.

I'll keep researching and keep you posted with my findings.
Why not just cover the plywood with epoxy. Im still in the beginning of my 476g plywood tank. http://www.aquariumpros.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=20700
 
Epoxy is an option I looked at the beginning but since I live in an appartment I keep it for the last. I'm not sure if my balcony is even 96" long :).
 
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