Goldrim - 3" - Cupramine - 14 days -quarantine

[Coffeeinbed]

Hi all,

The tank - 14G biocube with wet/dry , nano skimmer. Light off.


I'm into day 3 at full dose (a ramp up to .5ppm). The fish eats nori like a mad. I realize anything can happen in 11 days but it seems to be going okay so far.

Observations - Light off, he goes mad if the light is on. I open up the small "feeding lid" on the biocube hood and let the room light bleed in -also -the right and left glass panels are covered with cardboard. It's just enough light for him to see the nori and feed - and he does.

Nori - He showed no interest in the nori while it was flopping in the breeze. When attached to a pvc pipe, he started "pecking" and then eating like wild.

So far so good but I'll let you guys know. I still feel very "iffy".

I'm only posting because I don't see much on treating a Goldrim with Cupramine. I'm sure folks do, I just haven't seen it discussed.

 

[scooter31707]

Well you will hear different opinions on this. Me, I think copper is unsafe for fish, so I don't use it. For ich I use the TTM, for velvet I use CP, and PP for flukes. I also do a Formalin dip upon arrival.

 

[Coffeeinbed]

I think copper is unsafe for fish,

Most experienced reefers seem to agree that copper is harmful. For me - if the fish survives - I know for certain the fish is ich-free.

Will the fish die some time later from the copper treatment? A slow poisoning of internal organs?

I don't know.

But I do know that ich can't survive copper at .5ppm.

 

[Deinonych]

14 days isn't really long enough if you are going to use copper. The reason being is that copper only targets the free-swimming (theront) stage, which is the least predictable stage since it can vary anywhere from 3-72 days. 30 days is a much better treatment timeframe. Another problem with copper is that it has a very narrow range of effectiveness; too low and it doesn't kill the parasite, too high and it could kill the fish. I prefer TTM as well since it targets the most predictable stage of the life cycle (protomont) and doesn't require constant testing like copper does. It's a bit more work, but it's about as close to 100% effectiveness as you're going to get in this hobby.

 

[Coffeeinbed]

It's a bit more work, but it's about as close to 100% effectiveness as you're going to get in this hobby.

I may end up going the TTM route - in the end. I'm not opposed to it but since I've never done it and I had a bad experience with hypo; I'll give the copper route a try.

I add and remover water in 1 liter amounts - and - Cupramine claims it's more stable and stays in solution. My testing thus far bears that out.

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Cupramineâ„¢ effectively eradicates Oodinium, Cryptocaryon, Amyloodinium, Ichthyophthirius, and other ectoparasites of both freshwater and marine fish. It is superior to copper sulfate, chloride & citrate: it is non-acidic, less toxic to fish, remains in solution, and does not contaminate the filter bed. It is superior to chelates: it is fully charged (ionic), active at low concentrations, and is removable with carbon.

There is more than a four-fold concentration gap between the minimal therapeutic dose (0.2 mg/L) and the toxic dose (0.8 mg/L). Cupramineâ„¢ is easily removable with chemical filtration. It is highly effective and safe in freshwater as well as marine water.
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Just the same,I appreciate all input...

thanks

 

[scooter31707]

TTM is very easy and no hypo involved with it. You can use meds for other illness at the same time like Prazi-Pro.

 

[lagatbezan]

once you do TTM you will see how much easier it is. I used to do copper and it was torture! It was tough trying to keep the copper level stable in the qt tank with water evaporation and water changes. Not to mention trying to read those copper tests!! It needed some guess work and cause a lot of stress on the fish and myself. and at the end of it you are not sure if the copper level was at the required level THE WHOLE time.
With Tank transfer the fish goes into a clean fresh tank and you dont have to worry much about water quality. Just my opinion and experience

 

[Coffeeinbed]

TTM is very easy and no hypo involved with it. You can use meds for other illness at the same time like Prazi-Pro.

I'm getting more and more convinced of TTM

Not to mention trying to read those copper tests!!

So true. I have a "control" at 5ppm in a bottle because the tests are so poor. As long as my tank water matches the control - I'm good. These copper tests are disgrace to the companies that sell them.


As I said, I'm hear to listen and this may be my last copper adventure. Even though the fish is still eating - I'm nervous. I feel like a tiny error one way or another will tip the balance and the fish will be floating.

 

[snorvich]

You intend to keep Acanthurus nigricans in a 20 gallon tank?

 

[Coffeeinbed]

I think it worked out okay.....thanks for all the help guys.

This is him, treated - not for 14 days but 5 weeks - ...eats NLS and nori.

I may have to sell him though.

 

[snorvich]

Most experienced reefers seem to agree that copper is harmful. For me - if the fish survives - I know for certain the fish is ich-free.

Sorry, that is incorrect



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[scooter31707]

Nice fish. Now on your next one lets try the TTM.

 

[Coffeeinbed]

Nice fish. Now on your next one lets try the TTM.

Thanks for the encouragement scooter - I need it .


I might go to Petco tonight and get the gear I need to do a TTM.

thanks again

 

[scooter31707]

Thanks for the encouragement scooter - I need it .


I might go to Petco tonight and get the gear I need to do a TTM.

thanks again

2 heaters rated for 10 gallons, one air pump, airstones, and air tubing. You can go to Lowes or Home Depot and get 2 buckets. I think when I got everything I was at $55.