Good point and shoot camera for tank pics

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I want to buy a new point and shoot camera and would like to get something that takes good pictures of my tank.

My current weapon is a Fujifilm Finepix E510, 5.2 megapixel point and shoot. I think I bought it around 2003 or so. The one thing I like about it is the super macro (or whatever you call it) setting. It has a macro setting then another macro in a microscope setting.

Here are some pictures I can get with this piece of crap camera and would just like to upgrade.

newcorals001.jpg


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Rics.jpg


Cube006.jpg


tanks038.jpg


candycane011.jpg
 
I wouldn't go so far as to call that a pice of crap as you are pulling decent images out of it...less capable than what could be is probably more accurate. I am correct to assume you are already taking full advantage of a tripod, yes?

Do you know what Shutter Speed, Aperture, and ISO mean. Do you know what they were in the images posted above, and what (if any) combination would provide better results? Do you know your camera's sensor size and how it effects the image? How much do you know about photography right now? This is just a feeler question for how in-depth I need to explain my future reasoning - if at all.
 
Thanks for the response. I'm not using a tripod but I guess I should. To be honest I have no idea what any of those items you listed mean. I'm hoping to start taking photography classes in the fall but its looking to be a pain right now.

I guess I need to find the book on this camera and see if I can take advantage of any other settings on it.
 
For a super duper quick answer to your question:
I recommend the Panasonic LX3 or Canon G10 as the current best available point and shoot cameras for your purposes. I also recommend buying a tripod no matter what camera you use. You should probably buy the tripod first and use it with your current camera, since it really isn't half bad. I think once you figure you how to really harness its power, you may not be so swift to want a new camera in the first place.

Part 1 to the long answer (I'll wait for some feedback before I decide what entails part 2):
Tripod mounts are universal. If you buy a decent tripod, it should work just as well with any future camera you may purchase as it will with your current camera. As ironic and puzzling as this sounds, reef tanks aren't very bright subjects in photography terms. You are shooting a 1/10 of a second or even slower in some cases. The fact that the images above look as good as they do without a tripod deserves a round of applause. Surley you using some creative tactic to brace yourself as you took the photos above other than holding really, really still. My point is, if you buy a tripod and a tripod only, the results it produces with your current camera may surprise you.

If you plan to take a digital photography class, I can all but guarantee half of your time will be spent learning to use Photoshop. While many project images will be supplied by the instructor to standardize the lesson, I am sure you will be using your own photographs as well. The single greatest advantage digital trumps over film photography is image editing. To take full advantage of the greatest advantage digital has to offer, your camera needs a certain trait; The ability to shoot RAW.

RAW hasn't been standardized yet, and makes up Canon (.CR2), Nikon (.NEF), and all of the other manufactures versions. Think of a RAW file as just that...raw. Like a steak. It hasn't been washed of blood, marinated, cooked, seasoned with salt and pepper, or supplemented by a baked potato and ceaser salad yet. It is simply and beautifully a RAW virgin piece of steak.

The common "quality adjustments" on a camera tend to consist of: JPEG, TIFF, and RAW. Since your camera can only shoot JPEG, it probably has 10 different types of JPEG...but they really just aren't that importiant. You are trying to make art, so you want the highest quality setting every time. Simple.

When your Finepix E510 takes a picture, it immediately edits it. The camera decides how blue the picture should be, how to saturate the colors, how much extra sharpening to add, and a whole slew of other questions which need answers. After the image is edited, all of the RAW information is thrown away to make room for more images.

A RAW image is a raw steak that you clean, cook, and serve yourself.
A JPEG image is a steak whos fate you leave to the cook in a restaurant. It still tastes pretty good most of the time, but if you are a chef yourself...you could probably have done a better job.
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One thing that really does impress me with your little Fujifilm Finepix E510 are manual controls. I didn't say great manual controls, but you can actually work with it!

Remember Aperture, Shutter Speed, and ISO that I mentioned earlier? You can actually select what you want them to be! :D Hurray! A photography class field trip sure would be boring if you were the only one who couldn't pick your shutter speed. I know because this poor kid in my own photography class just sort of kept his fully automated camera in his pocket and asked everyone else questions about their DSLRs.

When you take a picture, you have to be conscious about how bright the picture is going to be. I can take a picture at 3:00 in the morning of a house with the moonlight and make it look rather bright. I can take a picture of the sun, looking directly at it, and make it look a soft orange. I can take a picture of snow and make it look grey or pure white. Its all up to the man behind the lens.

The first thing you need to understand about photograph is metering. A sensor in your camera will look at what you are taking a picture of and tell you how bright it thinks the picture should be. Over half the time I would say this sensor is wrong, but if you can predict why it is wrong and how wrong it is, it becomes a very valuable creative tool.

Usually if you are taking a picture of something very bright (snow), the camera will try to make the picture too dark. You need to tell the camera to make it brighter than it thinks the picture actually should be.

If you take a picture of something dark (a black car), the camera will make the picture look too bright. You need to tell the camera to make it darker.

Eventually you will learn when the camera is going to do what, and make adjustments accordingly before you even take the first picture. If you are taking a picture of a tree for instance, Bryan Peterson's popular book says to make the picture -2/3 darker.

-2/3 what you ask? A stop. Everything is measured into stops.
ISO: 400, 200, 100 (doubles)
Shutter Speed: 1 second, 1/2 of a second, 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, ect (doubles)
Apertuer: f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, ect. (each multiplied by square root of 2)

ISO is how sensitive your camera is to light. If the light hitting the sensor has twice the potency, the image will be 1 stop brighter. The higher your ISO (yours goes from 100 to 400, mine goes from 100 to 3200), the higher the interference. Just like turning your TV to a channel that doesn't exist, the side effect of high ISO are black and white and/or colored dots all over your image. These are two separate types of noise.

Shutter speed measures how long you actually take the picture. If the digital sensor is left exposed for twice the time, the picture will become 1 stop brighter. If your shutter speed is 1 second, and movement taking place in that second will be a blur. Your pictures were taken at about 1/10 of a second. Most of us use a tripod for 1/100 or slower. 1/10 is a lot slower!

Apertuer measures how big around your lens actually is. If the lens doubles it's width, it will let in 1 extra stop of light. f/2.8 is wider than f/5.6.

You can pick your ISO, Aperture, and Shutter Speed yourself. This is very empowering!!
 
TitusvileSurfer you ROCK! Thank you very much for this. I just copied and pasted this into word and printed it off so I can bounce this off of my camera's manual....I'll see what I can do with this. Thank you again!
 
Here is a list of some cameras:
You should at least get to the point where this four column chart does not confuse you. Once you know what everything means, comparing any camera of any brand becomes relatively simple. They all work the same way. If I was picking a nice point and shoot specifically for reef images, I would pick the Canon G10. For someone who already has a DSLR for that stuff, an LX3 would be a worthy quick response camera.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/com...kon_cpp6000&camuser=panasonic_dmclx3&show=all

The Nikon P6000 usually gets left out of debates around here. It does run in the same class as the G-10 and LX3 however. One neat feature is GPS tracking. My uncle is a serious "Geo-Casher", so that could be a selling point for him. GPS and a nice camera in one package, lets go play in the woods!

There are some tricky items on the P6000 though. For one the camera appears to archive ISO 6400 but you can't even see what it looks like at 13 MP, you can only use 3. This actually isn't so tragic because you shouldn't go over 800 ISO with any of these cameras in the first place. 800 is probably stretching it. The small sensor and large mega pixel count make for an ISO hayday. With Shutter speed, aperture, and ISO there are tradeoffs. Shutter speed will make the image really blurry or really sharp. Depending on what you are taking a photograph of, either can be a goal. Every action creates and equal and opposite reaction, so you can't just change one. You must change two or all three. Aperture will make the amount of area in focus thick or thin. Both can be desirable here as well. ISO puts dots on the image as you turn it up and down. There are exceptions, but most images don't purposely add noise.

Most DSLRS with large sensors can climb high up the ISO ladded with minimal after effects. ISO in effect becomes a wild card cheat code. Lets say BeerGuy is shooting his famous rainbow lit by the moon photograph. Like some mystical password in a "Lord of The Rings" novel, the rainbow is invisible to the naked eye and can only be revealed by a long exposure.

Okay...you have a beautiful scene with a waterfall falling from an interesting cliff. (I looked but couldn't find it. :( The first priority is a long shutter speed. Sunset has long passed which shouldn't make this too hard. Even at f/4 ISO 200 you may get shutter speeds somewhere around two seconds (make believe values). Well what if we want f/11 specifically to blur some foreground but reveal the cliff face in focus? f/4 and f/11 are three stops away from eachother. If you move from f/4 to f/11, you may also move from 2/1 to 15/1. Or you may move from ISO 200 to 100, then from 2/1 to 8/1. All three of these combinations (and many more) will have the same "brightness" but different traits. Without a tripod, all three of these combinations may not be possible at all.
 
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On thing that is so great about ISO in DSLR land is consistency. Do you have the perfect depth of field and shutter speed already but your picture is too dark? A DSLR can find extra stops with no effect to the image compared to a point and shoot. This theory of physics coupled with many other advantages make the DSLR very attractive. I say theory because new technology is constantly in the works. Ten years from now digital photography may be to the point of ISO 3276800 producing clean images. Some of the other photographers who browse this forum probably just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. To you I ask how much memory (RAM) your computer has? I have 4 gigs. I also have a 500GB internal hard drive. 10 years ago...20 years ago...would you have expected to brush that off as run of the mill?

ISO is IMO, photography's wild card. I predict it will become the new mega pixel race...although I'll care more. Then again we might see an anti-mega pixel revolution once the public sees ISO's potential. Time will tell. The ability to shoot clean images at high ISO speeds is a very desirable trait regardless.
 
Well I tried a couple more things with my camea experimenting with the settings and taking into account some of the things you said and its working! The pictures came out better and I think it will only get better from here. I'm going to go and try to find a tripod this weekend because I can see how the pictures will be blurry when the shutter stays open longer. Here are a few of the pictures I took. There will be a picture of a coral before I took TS's advice then after.

Before
newcorals001.jpg


After
Acan.jpg


Before
Cube010.jpg


After
ric-1.jpg


Before
fragtrack012.jpg


After
YelloRic.jpg
 
Another thing that could create distortion is the glass of the tank itself. Shooting perpendicular to the glass should make the shots even clearer! Sometimes the shot is much more interesting if you shoot at an angle, but if you can help it, try to point the camera straight at the glass as a flat surface.

Getting a half-way decent tripod will really help your creative photography options. When you can hold a camera in a specific position still for as long as is needed, doors that you could never walk through start to unlock.
 
OMYG! Wow- here I am trying to decide between a d40, d60 or a d5000, so I'm perusing this forum. Now instead of researching these cameras tonight, I'll be playing with my Canon A470 (I think!)

Amazing- Hey, Octoberfest, do I know you on a different board? Those rics look familiar?
 
Sorry, I was organizing my photobucket account and didn't realize it would break the links. Here are some before and after.

Before
newcorals001.jpg


After
Acan.jpg


Before
Cube010.jpg


After
ric-1.jpg


Before
fragtrack012.jpg


After
YelloRic.jpg
 
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