Got swindeled !!!! be warned!

[Nu2SW]

So I may have some things coming up for sale. As I do not have room in my nano to keep the Items I got from last nights raffle.

I am going to give the full background on what happened, since it is unacceptable behavior and not needed within this club....

Why is this you ask. #1 Because what was done to me was wrong and #2 I am royally ****ed OFF!!!!!!

Well I had a verbal agreement with Petes97 on getting his Tank, lighting,sump and pumps. Which would make a complete setup.

I was going to give him a brand new in box Red 4gig Ipod Nano for the tank,stand and hood. As well as full asking price for the lighting, sump and pumps.

But instead of keeping our agreement, I was cheated out of the lighting, by someone buying the MH lighting from peter. Which with out that, the tank is not complete. Which is what we agreed on!


What good is an agreement when you are just going to sell it out from under someone.

That is just shady business and should not be done to fellow reefers from the same club. That is uncalled for and horrible.




So, I had that Clown. I will be getting a replacement because of the out come of that fish. I do not have the room for it.

Its a Black perc, It will be up for sale or for trades once I get it.

I have a 12g tank and It is already stocked. With out the tank I was going to get , I don't have room.

 

[Nu2SW]

Also, I would not like to see anything go overboard, please keep the drama at bay.


This is a public service announcement.

 

[bayareaquarist]

By posting this in the general forum you are attenuating the drama you speak of...Keep this between the two of you. I would like to see a moderator delete this type of thread and any further threads of this nature...

 

[Nu2SW]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10583270#post10583270 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bayareaquarist
By posting this in the general forum you are attenuating the drama you speak of...Keep this between the two of you. I would like to see a moderator delete this type of thread and any further threads of this nature deleted...

Well people, have the right to know when something goes wrong between another person or between members. Are you going to want to deal with someone who may do the same thing to you, I would think not.

you are incorrect, If the person posting can respond with out being rude or causing drama. Then posts like this should be welcomed as warnings.

It's immature people and people that like drama that start drama.

As long as I am not slandering or putting the person down. As long as I am not violating the terms and conditions. Then there is nothing wrong with it. If the thread was to be deleted its being done unfairly. As no term's and conditions have been violated.

I would expect, that someone would want to know this information. Not try to control what people can say and do on the board.

So as I just have done. People can post in Positive and in a non rude or immature fashion.

Threads that, would fall under the drama label would be asked to be deleted. As normally done on this forum.

 

[pv1191]

Well you are slandering and putting down. Not that you are out of line. But, try and deal with that person before you post. Things may not always be what they appear. I know that from experience. If they are then post away! If not then check yourself.

 

[reefer334]

I bought some stuff from petes 97 and I thought he and his wife were very nice.Stuff happens let it go, just buy another light for the tank, try catalina aquarium, they can custom build a light for that tank and they are located here in town the owner Jim is a really nice guy.He has great prices to!!!!!!

 

[Nu2SW]

He is nice, I went to his house and it was great talking to him.

But because I bought raffle tickets last night and I asked him to hold on to the things for me till the day I get paid. Like many people have done before. He thought I was doing bad business, because I didnt offer to give him a "deposit". I never recalled him asking for a deposit, he says he did. It was a long night and we were there for quite a time.

I also told him, that the sump was too small and I found a 30g sump that I wanted to use. To my knowledge, someone was interested in the sump. But because I said I dont need the sump and I didnt give him a deposit I didnt know he wanted. He sold the stuff from under me.

Its probably a one time thing, Maybe it was a bad judgment call. Maybe it will make people think less of me. I cant change what was done. At that time I thought people should now, because It seemed shady to me to go and sell something that someone wanted.

Just because someone buys raffle tickets, does not mean they are not going to be honest with you. I have done business with many people here and I have all been honest with. To judge someone on superficial things like that is not right. If there was a concern I should of been confronted first and asked, not be jipped and have something sold that I was intending on buying.

I cant make people change there mind, some will agree with me and some will not. Some may want nothing to do with me and some just wont care and say, oh well.

Ive made the bed and I lay in it.

c'est la vie
such is life

 

[Nu2SW]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10583454#post10583454 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pv1191
Well you are slandering and putting down. Not that you are out of line. But, try and deal with that person before you post. Things may not always be what they appear. I know that from experience. If they are then post away! If not then check yourself.

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Im sorry but that is not slander,

Definition
# words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another
# aspersion: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name
# defame: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" "The article in the paper sullied my reputation"

Im not falsely stating anything. I may be damaging his good name, but I am not doing it falsely.

Its stating a fact... As I just found what he was upset about and did what he did. which is explained in my post above this. I continuously informed him that I was still interested.

I did say I didnt want the sump because it was too small and I got a larger one. But I wanted everything else for the price he was asking for. He was going to throw in some live rock and sand as a good gesture. But I get that thrown in my face because of whatever reason.


c'est la vie
such is life

 

[dots]

I take it that you could not renegotiate a reasonable solution to the situation and you felt that this was your only recourse of action?

In all fairness, and since its already out in the open, can we open a dialog between the two of you here so that you both may state your side of the story and come to an agreement? Would you guys like some mediation to resolve this, or would you rather settle it on your own.

Edwin, though you may be the victim and empathize, your posts are understandably filled with emotion and slander, (showing malice and bias if you prefer), and two wrongs do not make a right. Especially now this personal matter is more or less a public matter, I think the only person to post next should be the other party involved so they can tell his side of the story with the hope this can be settled in good form. Misunderstanding possibly?

If not, I would suggest we close it now........FYI or not, creates a bad vibe for the forum as a whole, and we have done a great job in avoiding the bad vibes lately, please keep up the good work!!

I hope you guys can work it out!!!

 

[Reefugee]

Nu2SW - your description of the event seems very contradictory.
First, you said that you were going to purchase a complete setup.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10582619#post10582619 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nu2SW
Well I had a verbal agreement with Petes97 on getting his Tank, lighting,sump and pumps. Which would make a complete setup.

Then you said you weren't buying a complete setup?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10583598#post10583598 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nu2SW
I also told him, that the sump was too small and I found a 30g sump that I wanted to use. To my knowledge, someone was interested in the sump. But because I said I dont need the sump and I didnt give him a deposit I didnt know he wanted. He sold the stuff from under me.

There sure seems like there might have been some uncertainity to this deal. Personally - If I was in Pete's shoes (which would be WAY TOO BIG on me), I would have sold the light as well unless there was a deposit or unless it was someone I have dealt with in the past.

To say that you got swindled is a little harsh. When I read the title, I thought you had paid for the items and never received it. In this case - a sales didn't go though. No swindling or dishonesty involved. I have had similar things happen to me before, but to me, it was just a deal that fell through. I didn't go on the forum and slandered the person.

Minh

PS. I have dealt with Pete97 and his wife in the past, and would gladly deal with him again. He seems like a very honest guy.

 

[Nu2SW]

Minh, Why would I want to buy something that in the end was not going to work out very well for me.

So I did the wrong thing, Im the one at fault because I didn't need something that wasnt going to work out for me.

I did the adult thing to do and went and talked to him at the meeting and Told him that the sump is too small for a tank that size and I found a sump that I would be better off using. ( Which I got for free) So I did what would be the correct thing to do. I went and talked to him, Not ignore him till the last minute.

Did I mention I was to come over at 4pm and pick up the tank. Called at 3 and waited till the last minute to tell me. Let me think all day long that I was going to get those things.

Too me I did get swindled.

No dishonesty, Instead of telling me at the meeting what he thought. He went home and decided to be rude and in my opinion that is rude and dishonest.


As I said, he seemed like a nice Guy. But for him to be so involved into my financial issue's with what I am spending is none of his business.

I never told him I was giving him a deposit, Because I would of remembered that. What I would of done, since at that time I was buying a Skimmer, would of asked "ok take the $30 as a deposit, keep the skimmer untill I come and pick it up and done payment for everything else.

I am not a Hard person to deal with as long as I am treated kindly and Fairly. Once Im screwed thats a different story.

This doesnt affect only me, but my family. My wife was hoping to get her yellow goby fish that she has been wanting and thought she was gonna get now.


The problem with society today, is people have lost common courtesy. I dud the right and courteous thing and told him that I didnt need the sump, because I got something else that worked better.

Instead of doing the courteous thing and called me before hand and talking to me and voicing his concerns. He becomes slick and sells crap from under me. Becuase I bought some raffle tickets.

Im sorry but that is just ridiculous!

 

[Reefugee]

Let me try to get this straight:

According to your posting, you had a verbal agreement with him to purchase a COMPLETE setup. The day before you were to pick it up, you change the deal to purchase an incomplete setup. So you expect him to honor the original deal (minus sump) when you could change the condition of the deal. Doesn't seem fair to me. What if you stopped by to pick up the rest of the stuff and tell him that you decided that you didn't want the lights because you got free lights else where? If there was an agreement for a complete system, then you should have purchased the complete system and turn around and sold the sump. But if you change the terms of the agreement, he has every rights to change the agreement as well.

 

[Nu2SW]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10586541#post10586541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefugee
Let me try to get this straight:

According to your posting, you had a verbal agreement with him to purchase a COMPLETE setup. The day before you were to pick it up, you change the deal to purchase an incomplete setup. So you expect him to honor the original deal (minus sump) when you could change the condition of the deal. Doesn't seem fair to me. What if you stopped by to pick up the rest of the stuff and tell him that you decided that you didn't want the lights because you got free lights else where? If there was an agreement for a complete system, then you should have purchased the complete system and turn around and sold the sump. But if you change the terms of the agreement, he has every rights to change the agreement as well.

Let me say it agin so you can understand. He was upset because I spent $40 bucks on the raffle and didnt give him a deposit. I never agreed to a deposit, so there for I did not know. Thats his reason for doing what he did, along with saying I didnt want the sump and the fact that I didnt spend any time with him at the meeting.

Im sorry, but Im there for the meeting and to talk to many peopl. I talked to him for a few minutes and we went our ways.

I never agreed on the whole setup, if that was the case then I would be getting the t5 lighting also.

you taking what I said out of context. I never told him it was a whole complete setup. In my mind that was a complete setup. If someone changes something that they said they wanted is one thing. Going behind and selling something someone wanted is a completely different situation.


So I take it its OK to sell something that someone wanted, if they come to you like an adult and say "hey Im not gonna need that, but I need the rest"

IM sorry but that is ridiculous.

I got the voicemail and I talked to him and he was upset that I spent $40 bucks from a sale on the raffle. So he sold the lights. He tried to say the same thing your saying, but that idea is flawed.


Whats hard to understand about that?


So let me summarize....

I never agreed to a deposit, he took my word which I was going to honor.

I was paying full price for light,pumps and sump and he was throwing in some sand and some base rock and a little LR.

He was getting a brand new $200 Ipod for his tank that he was asking $175

I told him at the meeting I didnt need the sump anymore because I got a 30g. THE BEST PART, HE SAID ahh ok thats fine. I understand for wanting a bigger sump.

He got upset because i used money from a sale for tickets

he then went behind my back and sold the lights.

So where is my fault.

If I dont need to buy something, if it turns out I dont need it. And he agress to me not getting the sump. Why should I be punished or have to buy it if I dont need it.

you want me to buy it and then go through the deal and then have to turn around and sell it again. Why have all the extra work.... that doesnt make sense

He never said he was upset or bothered to come to me and talk to me.

 

[FunGuy]

I'm not sure that I would have posted stuff up just because a sale didn't go through. I think we can all understand how mad you might been if you had something set up, were looking forward to it, and then it didn't get through. I think that's why people try to do deals immediately. It's a first come, first serve sale for most people because buyers can flake and back out as well. The seller has to a right to do what's in his/her best interest.

Based on what you say however, he basically didn't follow through with a verbal agreement. I don't see it as swindling you because nothing material was exchanged. I think that's why I believe there may have been a better forum for airing out your frustrations. Anyhow, we do have risks when we purchase things.

I think the only time we can guarantee we will get a product is from a store (some may disagree with this even). Better luck in the future.

 

[Justin74]

"Got swindled" means you were taken for your money or your property, none of these things happened.

200 new ipod for 175$ set up. This rational doesnt extend to you, of all people Edwin :/
1. You work for apple, I highly doubt you paid 200 dollars of your hard earned money to pay the company your work for a retail price , especiall when they were giving them away for FREE with purchase of a new computer system.
2. the "value" is clearly in the tank equipment.

I may not understand all the technicalities, but what I do understand is this transaction was riddled with problems. Mainly assumptions, which both parties are guilty of. Assuming that it was alright to change the deal after the fact by you first about the sump, all though he understood your reasoning it was still last minute which he probably thought up until that point that you would be taking it off his hands. Then making the deal linger with not paying for it upfront, but ok to spend 40$ in front of him when you made a deal before you purchased raffle tickets. Ya your a grown boy and can do with your money what you will, but it wasnt the best choice given these particular scruples.

So I would be bitter as well. And would be wanting to unload any and everything I could. I think the problem here is not too many people understand the hassle of selling with people on these forums and within our own club as well. Just because there in our club doesnt mean that individual is free from hang ups or bad ettiquete. But unless they actually did "swindle" you, this thread started off in really bad form. This more or less is just one of those life lessons you take with you if you dont want deals to fall through like this in the future.

When your trying to sell something, your trying to get rid of it! Not hold onto it, and to suggest for someone to do that is putting them out IMO. So much so where I can understand how he may have felt put out by your actions.

To me this is more of an issue that coulve at least had the opportunity of being more fruitfull if done through PM, or personal contact. Though Ive never been swindled Ive had a couple of transactions that left bad tastes in my mouth, once during the group buy for carbon and just recently for some zoos. But arent you glad I dont start a thread about my pet peeves!
You should be

-Justin

 

[muttley101]

Geeze.... if this is how people act in this club maybe i should hold my $25.... Too much drama for me..

I'm in this hobby for fun... not war.... I also see people here taking craigslist items and turning a profit on each other.... so much for a little help... (not naming anyone)

and then comes the legit people who actually care and sell their own stuff at a good price to help fellow members out and sell/swap their own frags so that other members can have the nice stuff to without paying retail.

These legit members need to put a stop to the other from ruining the atmosphere. That my opinion from an outsiders point of view...

Flame on...
-Mutt

 

[bayareaquarist]

ok

 

[dots]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10588484#post10588484 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bayareaquarist
FLAGGED FOR DELETION~!?? moderators...where are you??

Still think its a good idea...

I doubt they will, everyone is behaving themselves. However, to avoid public opinion that reflects and damages the club as a whole, such as the posting above yours illustrates.....I hope we can close the issue ourselves, now.

 

[shiveley]

This post is in bad taste, plain and simple. It is my opinion that transactions are not "finalized" until an actual trade or currency exchange has taken place. Up until that time the sale, trade, or whatever, is still at the discretion of the seller. If a better deal came along, I don't blame him for taking it. Hell, this isn't BestBuy...

 

[pbetito]

Edwin, this type of post is in very bad taste and shows little thought or class on your part. It is one sided and totally unfair. Please stop using the forum for posts meant only to promote negativity. This problem should have been kept in private!