Hang on Skimmers
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glassbox-design
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there's a group on this forum that goes around spitting the same venom....the theme seems to be typhoons and bermudas are the best HOB, and in sump if you dont get a DAS or octo you're an idiot. quite honestly i could careless and usually laugh, except for when other reefers go out and buy based on these recs that are so repetative.
i agree with das, which is odd because they have been around for years..... but the rest you've got to be kidding me. has there yet to be a picture or true testimonial on the bermuda? :lol:
having used and owned many many skimmers including experimenting with these, i can assure the typhoon is a poor skimmer, as is the octo. in defense of the octo's they do have potential to be good performers...but they need their fair share of work. dont get me wrong, they can get the job done, just others ime do it better....
let's keep the, that skimmer is garbage comments to those that have actually earned the right to say so through hands on experience...none of the, i-know-a-guy-who-saw-one-at-the-lfs- whos-friend's-dog-said-it's-great-reviews.
let's also not bash skimmers that are built well, and perhaps cost more because they come with actual customer service. there is nothing wrong with low priced products, there is also nothing wrong with high priced products...lets keep that in mind...
for me a cpr bacpac with luft pump has been the best HOB skimmer i have used. and for the price of an aquatraders knock off, i'd be hardpressed to believe the typhoon is a better buy.
i have not yet used the mce600, but based on stats alone there is very few that can compete with it....perhaps besides schuran's hangon multi filters as it it's a jetskim in a HOB sump form.
overall, no skimmer is the best and everyone has their right to their opinoin....so if advocating skimmers, lets be up front about them.
e.g. octo's are great but they need some modifications such as x,y, and z. deltec's work well, but they are expensive and have a tiny collection cup...
just my 2 cents
happy reefing.
eric:eek2:
i agree with das, which is odd because they have been around for years..... but the rest you've got to be kidding me. has there yet to be a picture or true testimonial on the bermuda? :lol:
having used and owned many many skimmers including experimenting with these, i can assure the typhoon is a poor skimmer, as is the octo. in defense of the octo's they do have potential to be good performers...but they need their fair share of work. dont get me wrong, they can get the job done, just others ime do it better....
let's keep the, that skimmer is garbage comments to those that have actually earned the right to say so through hands on experience...none of the, i-know-a-guy-who-saw-one-at-the-lfs- whos-friend's-dog-said-it's-great-reviews.
let's also not bash skimmers that are built well, and perhaps cost more because they come with actual customer service. there is nothing wrong with low priced products, there is also nothing wrong with high priced products...lets keep that in mind...
for me a cpr bacpac with luft pump has been the best HOB skimmer i have used. and for the price of an aquatraders knock off, i'd be hardpressed to believe the typhoon is a better buy.
i have not yet used the mce600, but based on stats alone there is very few that can compete with it....perhaps besides schuran's hangon multi filters as it it's a jetskim in a HOB sump form.
overall, no skimmer is the best and everyone has their right to their opinoin....so if advocating skimmers, lets be up front about them.
e.g. octo's are great but they need some modifications such as x,y, and z. deltec's work well, but they are expensive and have a tiny collection cup...
just my 2 cents
happy reefing.
eric:eek2:
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happyface888
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I wonder how many HOB skimmers are in this thread? And if they were put into a grading scale how would you grade them based on how efficient and price wise?
odyssea 75/160
cpr bak pak's R2/dual/bootlegged version odyssea
remora mini/Pro
Prizim pro/Delux
deltec
Seaclone
Coralife venturi/needlewheel super skimmer
typhoon
Bermuda Rogue
PM skimmer
Octopus
won brothers skimmer
Turbofloter
odyssea 75/160
cpr bak pak's R2/dual/bootlegged version odyssea
remora mini/Pro
Prizim pro/Delux
deltec
Seaclone
Coralife venturi/needlewheel super skimmer
typhoon
Bermuda Rogue
PM skimmer
Octopus
won brothers skimmer
Turbofloter
flint
I never said a Deltec HOB is garbage, just over-priced. For $500 the 600 is way too costly.
Overall everything I have ever seen on Bermuda skimmers is positive. I don't think I have ever read a negative review on them.
If you say the typhoon is a poor skimmer and the CPR backpack is a good one I guess that says it all about your skimming knowledge.
I never said a Deltec HOB is garbage, just over-priced. For $500 the 600 is way too costly.
Overall everything I have ever seen on Bermuda skimmers is positive. I don't think I have ever read a negative review on them.
If you say the typhoon is a poor skimmer and the CPR backpack is a good one I guess that says it all about your skimming knowledge.
happyface888
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Deltecs are out of my range
glassbox-design
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here is what you said re: the deltec.....
you also called it a bacpac with an aquabee...which they do have their similarities except for one large large difference, the pumps output is direct into the chamber...and you should know, that the pump is what makes a NW skimmer.
having used ETSS, DAS, CPR, RK2, Schuran, Sanders, ER, ASM, MRC, Aerofoamer, Aqua-C, Turbo floater, Berlin etc...i'd say my skimming knowledge is quite solid. again this is from actual hands on experience.
not to start flame war, but please post pics of your tank and the 20 ounces of skimmate a day. also please hook an air-meter to the typhoon, it pulls close to nothing, so little that you are seeing increase performance from injecting air in the venturi via an air pump... try that on a real pump/venturi combo....
i am still waiting for a bermuda rogue shot as well...so far the only one i've seen looked on par with an aspirated minijet. are we to believe this black box skimmer can really perform? if so, prove it because i have yet to see it. would you be able to snap a pic of the one at your LFS?
re: cpr, when tuned they do there job. it keeps my 20g overstocked sps nano looking great. it has the stocking level of most 55g reefs.
eric
I have posted shots of the typhoon, as have others check out the typhoon thread. I think someone just meshmodded one as well. I am comparing the skimmate produced from the typhoon to the skimmate pics that I have seen (on this thread and others) for the deltec. It looks very simliar. Of course this is just be looks, as whatever is in the skimmate could be very different.
I have used a few back packs and they produced nothing in comparison to the typhoon. I have yet to see one actually do much of anything. I do not know what "tuning" you are doing so maybe you can enlighten me here.
again, you must not have read my post (even though you re-posted it) I said the deltec is not garbage, just over-priced for what it is.
You say your skimming knowledge is quite solid, but when you are saying a cpr backpack is better than a typhoon it is very suspect.
there is a bermuda rogue skimmer thread that has just started, maybe we will get some pics there.
I have used a few back packs and they produced nothing in comparison to the typhoon. I have yet to see one actually do much of anything. I do not know what "tuning" you are doing so maybe you can enlighten me here.
again, you must not have read my post (even though you re-posted it) I said the deltec is not garbage, just over-priced for what it is.
You say your skimming knowledge is quite solid, but when you are saying a cpr backpack is better than a typhoon it is very suspect.
there is a bermuda rogue skimmer thread that has just started, maybe we will get some pics there.
Runfrumu
Hi
I post on a gun forum and some guy once said, "all guns suck, this one jam's, this one is plastic, this one isnt accurate and so on and so forth."
I guess the same is true with aquarium products. You ask 100 people about something, and you'll get 100 answer's. Some will say this is great, and some will say it's the worst.
I guess the same is true with aquarium products. You ask 100 people about something, and you'll get 100 answer's. Some will say this is great, and some will say it's the worst.
luke33
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Knowledge
Knowledge
I'm not trying to be a (.) but gsguy its tough to take real advice from someone who has posted dang near 8k times in less than a year. I've uses many hot skimmers in the last few years and there are many I don't like. Out of the list below here are my thoughts on hot's.
odyssea 75/160----Decent skimmers and a very good value
cpr bak pak's --decent price but not great performers
remora mini/Pro--the worst value skimmer out there
Prizim pro/Delux- better value than a remora but not a good skimmer
deltec- decent performer but very very very overpriced
Seaclone- better than a remora but junk
Coralife-decent skimmer and decent price
typhoon-good price and decent skimmer
Bermuda Rogue-Its predecesor was a killer hot skimmer
PM skimmer-decent price and decent skimmer
Octopus-cpr ko and better price
won brothers- junk-like a cpr
Turbofloter-crappy price, good skimmer 55g or less.
The best value's are the odyssea's, typhoon's and the best performers stock are the turbofloaters and the bermuda's. The best hot skimmer out there is yet to be determined for a 125g or larger tank. The only real contender out there is the bermuda. The best real value is the ps75 and ps160. The only problem i have with the ps160 is i don't like it as a hot as it will overflow to much. But as an in sump skimmer it will be dang near as effective as a octo150 if you mod it and that will take a few bux.
There's my opinion folks as i've used most these skimmers and have seen every one in action hands on if i have not....only exception being the bermuda rogue but i've seen its predesesor in action. Believe what you want but don't take advice from people who won't show you proof.
Knowledge
I'm not trying to be a (.) but gsguy its tough to take real advice from someone who has posted dang near 8k times in less than a year. I've uses many hot skimmers in the last few years and there are many I don't like. Out of the list below here are my thoughts on hot's.
odyssea 75/160----Decent skimmers and a very good value
cpr bak pak's --decent price but not great performers
remora mini/Pro--the worst value skimmer out there
Prizim pro/Delux- better value than a remora but not a good skimmer
deltec- decent performer but very very very overpriced
Seaclone- better than a remora but junk
Coralife-decent skimmer and decent price
typhoon-good price and decent skimmer
Bermuda Rogue-Its predecesor was a killer hot skimmer
PM skimmer-decent price and decent skimmer
Octopus-cpr ko and better price
won brothers- junk-like a cpr
Turbofloter-crappy price, good skimmer 55g or less.
The best value's are the odyssea's, typhoon's and the best performers stock are the turbofloaters and the bermuda's. The best hot skimmer out there is yet to be determined for a 125g or larger tank. The only real contender out there is the bermuda. The best real value is the ps75 and ps160. The only problem i have with the ps160 is i don't like it as a hot as it will overflow to much. But as an in sump skimmer it will be dang near as effective as a octo150 if you mod it and that will take a few bux.
There's my opinion folks as i've used most these skimmers and have seen every one in action hands on if i have not....only exception being the bermuda rogue but i've seen its predesesor in action. Believe what you want but don't take advice from people who won't show you proof.
jmkins
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I really have to back up F&E on this issue. Anyone who has followed this forum, specifically the HOB threads in the L,F, & O section have seen the same 4 or 5 people constantly bad mouth certain skimmers and praise others.
For anyone who is new to reef keeping and looking at buying their first equipment I would suggest taking everything with a grain of salt. Many posters are loyalists to certain brands, or suggest alternatives that need mods that cost way too much before they can even begin to compete with off the shelf competition that doesn't cost much more stock.
Having been on this site for a few years and purchased equipment based on recommendations from here I can only offer the suggestions that anyone looking for objective advice spend the time to peruse and search through as many threads as possible.
I have used a remora for the better part of 3 yrs on a 40b and never had any problems with it. I used an external PM bullet for a bit and got less than 2x the skimmate since I was working with a lightly stocked tank anyway. In reality I would be better off doing weekly water changes than running any skimmer.
For anyone who is new to reef keeping and looking at buying their first equipment I would suggest taking everything with a grain of salt. Many posters are loyalists to certain brands, or suggest alternatives that need mods that cost way too much before they can even begin to compete with off the shelf competition that doesn't cost much more stock.
Having been on this site for a few years and purchased equipment based on recommendations from here I can only offer the suggestions that anyone looking for objective advice spend the time to peruse and search through as many threads as possible.
I have used a remora for the better part of 3 yrs on a 40b and never had any problems with it. I used an external PM bullet for a bit and got less than 2x the skimmate since I was working with a lightly stocked tank anyway. In reality I would be better off doing weekly water changes than running any skimmer.
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