Has anyone tried adding a flame angel with an estalbish coral beauty pair?

mattsilvester

mattsilvester

Team RC
Hi All,

I have spent many years (over a decade) keeping full-size angels (as distinct form dwarf angels); I find myself "transferring" alot of that experience from the big guys to the dwarf guys - I'm starting to question how valid that knowledge transfer is.

Case in point: I have an estalbished coral beauty pair in my 150 (5x2x2) reef. I would like to add a flame angel to the tank. My instinct (deirev from large nagels) says "no, don't do it" - but the coral beauties seem quite placid and I am beignning to think I probably could.

I mean, I were posting "can I add a 6" emporer angel to a 10 foot tank with an established 6" angel in place" - I owuld say "yes, epxect fire works, but it should be fine"..... so 3" dwarfs to a 5' tank isn't that unreasonable..... right??? and at 3" they aren't gonna grow, but the the two 6" angels in a 10' tank certainly would!!!

Thoughts?
 
I'd call it a coin flip. The angels are of different coloration and the tank is certainly large enough; but you never know how fish are going to react until you put them together. I would suggest a long acclimation and a breeder box to keep them seperated at first to improve your odds.
 
Mr.Walden said:
I'd call it a coin flip. The angels are of different coloration and the tank is certainly large enough; but you never know how fish are going to react until you put them together. I would suggest a long acclimation and a breeder box to keep them seperated at first to improve your odds.
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hehe - now there's something I wouldn't have thought of - a breeder box..... in the past anything I've wnated to acclimatise has been far too big for a breed box :)

I'll try that - my skills are fine tuned enough to gauge the breeder box reaction / interaction.

Cheers.
 
as long as you have enough rocks, then it should be fine. at the beginning, there will be fighting. the fighting lasted a week when i added a cb to my tank with a flame angel. now they r both ok but the flame still rules.
 
Don't have a pair, but I added a flame to a 65 with an existing coral beauty and multicolored dwarfs. I had had the flame for 6 months prior as a pair, but lost the female in my move. The coral beauty and multicolored had been together for about a year (( along with a Venustus, which I moved to its own tank during the move )).

I moved the flame over about a month after the move -- so the coral beauty and mult had already set up camp in the 65 -- I placed it in an acclimation box for a week. Once I released it there was some minor chasing between it and the coral beauty. That ended up lasting a day or two and everything is going great now. All 3 are getting fatter and out and about all the time.
 
Somthing I'm very interested in as well. I have a Dwarf Potter Angel in a 120g and want to add another Dwarf Angel of some sort. So Im looking very forward to your results if you try it. I'm at the same time consurned for my SPS corals. I've been lucky with the Potter not bothering anything but fear trying my luck to much. Somthing to keep in mind if you have sps of course.

I'm tagging along for sure. If a Drawf comes in local I might have to pick him up (no pun intended :) once my quarantine is available. At the moment I'm trying to mix 3 Tangs. Next will be the Drawfs.
 
thanks for all the postive replies folks. gonna set the q-tine tank up now and will hopefully have a flame angel by the weekend :)
 
Not even going to comment on the Q-tine. I'm just sick of loosing healthy fish to it. Just my 2 cents. I just lost a very health kole tang last night do to an
Acute MI. But I'm off topic

I had a comment but the Q-tine hit a nerve and I lost my train of thought. Sorry

Keep us updated with your progress.
 
A quick hijack of Matt's thread, a quote from Luiz -- I have had this fish for just over a year now.

Luiz Rocha said:
The official description did not come out yet, but here is the title (and correct spelling of the species name):

The Blue Velvet Angelfish, Centropyge deborae, a New Pomacanthid from the Fiji Islands, based on Genetic and Morphological Analyses
K.N. Shen, H.C. Ho, and C.W. Chang [Accepted date: 2011.11.4]

When it comes out, it will be here:

http://zoolstud.sinica.edu.tw/content.htm
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Basically, it looks like a blue C. nox. The C. deborae had been in this tank since June (( when I moved )), I picked up the Potter's about a month ago. It was in an acclimation box for a week, so that they both could get used to each other and to make sure the Potter's was eating in this situation. After the week -- and not noticing any aggressive from the C. deborae, I released it; some minor chasing the first day but that was it.

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Jfannin said:
Not even going to comment on the Q-tine. I'm just sick of loosing healthy fish to it. Just my 2 cents. I just lost a very health kole tang last night do to an
Acute MI. But I'm off topic

I had a comment but the Q-tine hit a nerve and I lost my train of thought. Sorry

Keep us updated with your progress.
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So, are you saying fish keep dying in your q-tine system? I do sympathise - I lost a copperband a few years back; to this day I am convinced the sterile conditions of the q-tine stress him out to much and did him no favours. But I've also been through some really bad and resilient strains of ich too - once had to break down a 240, seperate all the fish and LR etc. and treat them with copper etc...... it took months to get things back to normal.

That being said, despite rigourous q-tine, ich has still managed to get into my previous set-ups. It can travel on LR, corals, etc. too so unless you q-tine every single thing you put into your tank, then there is never a compelte gaurantee - although it does help tremendously. I have come to the conclusion the most useful aspect of q-tine is actually getting the fish feeding.
 
Not to get the thread off topic. But yah pretty much, i only started loosing fish when i started to try to Quarintine and I don't like to be a fish slayer. Idk I kinda still want to try it. But it will be when I can get my new QT tank made. Thats another topic though.
 
Somthing I was wondering. Kinda basic question really. Like with the Tangs, do you guys think that by choosing two Dwarf angles that have very differant colors and aperance that their might be a better chance of success in grouping them together?
 
I do think it helps -- I have mixed several different species of dwarfs. The one time I had an issues was when I tried to introduce a "golden" dwarf (( C. aurantius )) with an existing Potter's. Even after a week in an acclimation box it was WWIII -- the Potter's was relentless. Removed the Potter's; eventually the golden was with a coral beauty and a Venustus with no issues.
 
Jfannin said:
Somthing I was wondering. Kinda basic question really. Like with the Tangs, do you guys think that by choosing two Dwarf angles that have very differant colors and aperance that their might be a better chance of success in grouping them together?
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Yes, it always helps - but fish are not as dumb as we sometimes think they are. Its a lot about territory e.g. "is this guy gonna eat the same food, occupy the same bolt holes, or steal my women" - so there's a lot more than colour to be considered. This is why, generally, nothing interfers with fish like naso tangs - being almost palegic, they are not viewed as competitors. Geographic origin plays a tole too - traditionally this is why emporer angels and queen angels make a good mix, because they are not genetically hardwired to clash.

I have found that with many species, the system alpha fish makes a difference too. If there is one clear "boss" that throws his weight around and rules with an iron fist, all the others seem to toe the line..... if however the "boss" is a bit passive, then the medium level fish start to get notions of upperosity and create mini uprisings. Example - my previous system housed an emporer angel and a powder blue tang. The emporer was much larger. Powder blues have a reputation for beign nasty beligerent little beasts - fighting with even the algae magnet at maintenance time. My one however was quite laid back - or more probable is that he was kept in check by the much large and quite assertive emporer. If the emporer saw any kind of territorial dispute, he would break it up, as any move to grab power was seen by him as a potential uprising to be nipped in the bud. Compare this to a friend with a 10' tank with no strong assertive alpha fish - his power blue was not the alpha either, but it was much more aggressive than mine.
 
Very good point. In my system my yellow tang is hands down the boss of the tank. Also in the tank is a Blue Hippo and the potter with a pair of clowns. Between the hippo and potter I'm not sure. They all get along pretty well.

I was thinking of trying somthing like the Lemonpeel or the Bicolor. Just thing they would get along the easiest. What do you all think?
 
Considered a multicolor but was sure how it would do in a SPS tank being that on Liveaquara it says it's a deep water fish and they says it's PRON to nip SPS.
Any advice?
 
Well guys I just picked up a nice looking tricolor at about 8pm :)

I done a bunch of reading on it while at work in my down time. (very slow day :)
And fill it should be a good angle to go with my potter.

So for know I have it in a isolation tank but not sure if I will keep him in it or not. The tank is a 24x12x12 with my kolora250 some cheato and a fluval U1 (spong filter was in 120g sump for 3 weeks socking) and of course a heater and PVC T's
If you want to advise on what you would do next please shoot me a pm. But I'll try to keep you posted sence your also wanting to group up dwarf angles.
Check this out as well
http://web1.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19985581#post19985581
 
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