Heating a large system.

kcrush4989

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I'm in the planning stages of setting up a 1500-800g system and an looking for the best way to heat it. There are several inline heaters that range all over the board for price. Need some input on how you guys heat your tanks
 
Have you looked into a closed loop to the water heater using pump and Ranco control unit?
100' pex line coiled in the sump looped to the water heater. When water drops below the set point, a pump sends water from the water heater, thru a closed loop thru the coils thereby heating the water. It's not the easiest thing to set up, so if you know a good heating and cooling guy, would definitely have him at least make the connections.
 
how is the cost of electricity vs. cost of gas in your area?

If you're heating your house & water with electricity just use heaters in the sump, no sense getting fancy with in-line and what not, just heaters in a good flow area of your sump should be fine.
 
Get multiple electric heaters of lower wattage instead of one great big one so that if one sticks in the ON position it won't fry your tank.

Dave.M
 
Fixed it.

Exactly...that's the only reason I went with the closed loop to the water heater. Peace of mind is a huge factor with planning a big reef tank. And aren't monster plug in heaters crazy expensive? For 1500 gallons of water, you'd need 4500 watts of heat right? I could be wrong, but I think it's 3 times water volume for heaters. So divide 4500 x 500 and that means you'd need nine in line 500 watt heaters.
 
I would agree that the way to heat a large tank is to use 400 watt mh lights. the main drawback to mhs is the heat output, and for a northern tank like mine that is only a drawback for about 3 months and a perk for about 6.
 
Thanks everyone for the help. I want to stay away from the (many) plug in heaters. I would need a ton. I'm interested in using my hot water tank and a coil. I'm a contractor by trade and can solder in what's needed. Can any post a pic of there setup?

Thanks
 
Exactly...that's the only reason I went with the closed loop to the water heater. Peace of mind is a huge factor with planning a big reef tank. And aren't monster plug in heaters crazy expensive? For 1500 gallons of water, you'd need 4500 watts of heat right? I could be wrong, but I think it's 3 times water volume for heaters. So divide 4500 x 500 and that means you'd need nine in line 500 watt heaters.

Well there was a reason why I asked about cost of gas vs electricity, I'm sure I can easily look up those rates for Buffalo, NY but hey it's not my tank :D Some areas have crazy low electrical rates (at least compared to what I pay), and some areas do not have natural gas availability and I've heard propane isn't cheap which is why I didn't suggest tying into a gas water heater (needs to be gas to have any chance of being useful, electrical water heater you might as well put heaters in your tank).

As to how many heaters are needed, it's a little more than just gallons. I forget what was told to me some 10+ years ago, but it was something like 1 watt per gallon per 5 degrees below ambient temperature. So if the room with the tanks is 60 degrees, that's 1500g x 1 x 4 (80-60=20 then divide by 5 = 4). So if you had all the inner workings of the tank inside an uninsulated garage, get ready to pay through the nose during the winter months, heck here in San Francisco I get hit fairly hard for ambient temps in the 50s.

Another option is to insulate a fish area behind it, and physically keep that warm with your furnance/boiler/etc, again unsure about gas prices, but around here stores tend to keep themselves warm rather than rely on electric heaters to keep their tanks warm. Now the downside to this approach is you'll more likely than not be fighting the humidity too, so some sort of heat exchanger that saves some the heat while evacuating the moisture is a must with a tank that size.
 
Anyone ever use a Heat Pump? I read someone using one a while back.. I did some searching and it looks like it's a chiller/heater all in one... seems like it might be a good solution as in the winter I let my house get down to 64 degrees, and in the summer it gets in the mid 80s (few days in the upper 80s)..
 
I would agree that the way to heat a large tank is to use 400 watt mh lights. the main drawback to mhs is the heat output, and for a northern tank like mine that is only a drawback for about 3 months and a perk for about 6.

Is the other 3 months - no net benefit or drawbacks?
 
Thanks everyone for the help. I want to stay away from the (many) plug in heaters. I would need a ton. I'm interested in using my hot water tank and a coil. I'm a contractor by trade and can solder in what's needed. Can any post a pic of there setup?

Thanks

I'll see about getting you some pictures. I absolutely love heating my tank this way. Previous 560 reef was heated with a couple large titanium heaters, both failed. One failed on...replaced it...then one failed off...so replaced that. Caught both in time.
A friend of mine just lost a tank full of corals due to a failed heater.
Current system is 1200 total gallons and no worries whatsoever. But ya never know so despite it most likely will never happen, I'll probably get a shutoff control as a fail safe in case for some reason the pump or controller fails.
 
I have a titanium inline heater on my 600 gal and it runs flawless....On a system of this size I wouldn't go any other way
 
I have a titanium inline heater on my 600 gal and it runs flawless....On a system of this size I wouldn't go any other way
 

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Gas in my area is pretty cheap so I would like to run off my hot water tank. I would like to see how this is done and any precautions that should be taken. Fail safes? My grow out tank and dumps will be roughly 12 ft from my hat water tank.
 
Looking to do the exact same thing. Its quiet easy. Your really just creating a zone off of the water heater. This is similar to how your typical heating system opperates. In your tank is a temp sensor, it tells the circulator/ zone valve when heat is required. Then water is directed from the water heater to the coil of PEX in your sump.

Will
 
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