Reefer Wannabe
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Do you have different advice, or just come in to stir the pot?
HELP!! I've got ICK!!
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Do you have different advice, or just come in to stir the pot?
Freed
It's what it's
I'm not here to play your PeeWee crap. I first only asked a question and then you made a statement which I replied to. I then stated that my regimen would be the same as above my previous post. That is my answer to your question. Now it is your turn to own up to scientific fact and learn from it. Now I can only hope the original poster can weed out the garbage and use the scientific facts to his/her fishs benefit.
zt444a
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Wasn't this a post about StupidsReef and the ick problem? Not about who knows the most about what.
I have not been at the saltwater/reef hobby long at all, did alot of freshwater keeping, but the one thing I have learned is there is more than one way to do something.
Freed: On the subject of procedures and methods, I know Letmegrow. He's a stand-up guy, if a bit opinionated. He is only speaking about what he has had success with, methods he has used, again successfully. Can you offer something in the way of knowledge? I personally have used some of the "reef-safe" products Letmegrow refered to, and I did not have an issue with anything dying, but that was me.
I think everyone here made it clear there are options, but that you should do something.
Leebca: Quite the impressive resume. How do companies advertise their products as "reef-safe" and "Cures MI" if no research has been done? Couldn't that lead to a lawsuit of some sort?
Kurt: Give Stupidsreef his thread back!
I have not been at the saltwater/reef hobby long at all, did alot of freshwater keeping, but the one thing I have learned is there is more than one way to do something.
Freed: On the subject of procedures and methods, I know Letmegrow. He's a stand-up guy, if a bit opinionated. He is only speaking about what he has had success with, methods he has used, again successfully. Can you offer something in the way of knowledge? I personally have used some of the "reef-safe" products Letmegrow refered to, and I did not have an issue with anything dying, but that was me.
I think everyone here made it clear there are options, but that you should do something.
Leebca: Quite the impressive resume. How do companies advertise their products as "reef-safe" and "Cures MI" if no research has been done? Couldn't that lead to a lawsuit of some sort?
Kurt: Give Stupidsreef his thread back!
Freed
It's what it's
I don't care what forum this is in the slightest. The original poster was asking for help and was getting some very IFY help at that. I will "TROLL" in any forum I choose to troll in as you call it. Hopefully the original poster will weed out the useless information like I said earlier and use it to his benefit. Sounds like some people are close minded and unwilling to learn from outsiders and will only take their own friends advice even if it is a bit shoddy.
dynamitedj
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What is strange about all of this is that this little parasite has all of us higher level beings so confused as to how to deal with it effectively almost to the point that we have to get rid of each other. The question is how do we get rid of it? We need 1 clear-cut method that works not many that might work. It is our fault that the ICK has taken over.
Ok...but you did not offer to help, give your insight or anything. You merely questioned someone else's input. Anyone can be a critic...you were not helping, only causing trouble. I am deeply sorry you do not see the difference. Please pick up your toys and bad attitude and go elsewhere if you are not going to help.
zt44a,
"Reef safe" is not defined. What is 'reef safe' in one reef is not 'reef safe' in another reef.
Steven Pro has presented data on so called 'reef safe' additives. You may want to read his article on the subject. He exposed several 'reef safe' products to pulsating xenia. Some had no affect, others killed it outright, and still others killed it slowly.
The reason why they are not sued is just because of the facts that 1) no one bothers, and 2) there is no standard definition of reef safe, and 3) no one takes the time and expense to challenge them. Our hobby is riddled with people and organizations just wanting to make money and they make claims on the thinnest of information.
As I pointed out to Mayoboy, you've misread what I wrote. I wrote there were no experiments done to show they worked, I didn't say there were no experiments conducted.
Scientific investigation requires a control, placebo, following directions, multiple specimens, etc. And then whether the project fails or succeeds the trials are then repeated in other aquariums and other systems. So far, no MI cure that is 'reef safe' has been shown to consistently cure MI more or less than what the fish were able to do on their own.
You may wish to read of another side to the picture:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=754008
"Reef safe" is not defined. What is 'reef safe' in one reef is not 'reef safe' in another reef.
Steven Pro has presented data on so called 'reef safe' additives. You may want to read his article on the subject. He exposed several 'reef safe' products to pulsating xenia. Some had no affect, others killed it outright, and still others killed it slowly.
The reason why they are not sued is just because of the facts that 1) no one bothers, and 2) there is no standard definition of reef safe, and 3) no one takes the time and expense to challenge them. Our hobby is riddled with people and organizations just wanting to make money and they make claims on the thinnest of information.
As I pointed out to Mayoboy, you've misread what I wrote. I wrote there were no experiments done to show they worked, I didn't say there were no experiments conducted.
Scientific investigation requires a control, placebo, following directions, multiple specimens, etc. And then whether the project fails or succeeds the trials are then repeated in other aquariums and other systems. So far, no MI cure that is 'reef safe' has been shown to consistently cure MI more or less than what the fish were able to do on their own.
You may wish to read of another side to the picture:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=754008
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