Help josh unscrew his tank

Fmellish

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You can view photos for most of these days in my blog http://fmellish.shackspace.com/aquarium/

I need help restoring balance to a tank which has undergone many mechanical and chemical changes this month.

My symptoms and their history.

June 1st
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Ever since about the beginning of June I have been fighting cyano algae. I would stir my sand up to break it up and turkey baste it off of corals. I realize now its not like normal algae that you can just dislodge and it dies. Unless you get it out of the tank it just settles and starts colonizing whereever it lands.


June 6th
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My 1/4 HP chiller arrives and I install it. The signifigance of this event is that it is when I changed my pump configuration. I tried several pump configs before settling on a final config using my Eheim 1262 as my chiller pump, my 1260 as my return pump, (no change there), and a Mag 7 for my skimmer. Now the important thing to note is that my skimmer was running on the 1262, (with a ball valve half closed), prior to switching it out for a Mag7 so I could run the 1262 on the chiller. However, even prior to the 1262 running my skimmer, this same Mag 7, (stored in garage), was the original skimmer pump. I replaced it with the 1262 because the Mag made too much noise, however the 1262 with the valve to throttle never gave me the skimmer output that the Mag 7 did. So after a few months in the middle of running the 1262 with minimal skimmate I was kind of excited to go back to the pump that the system was born with in my system, the Mag 7. I dusted it off and cleaned it and put it back in the sump.

Its much quieter than I remember now.

So in conclusion, on this day I added a pump to my config to run my skimmer and took the skimmer pump and moved it to the chiller.


June 16th
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By Friday June 16th (SCMAS Meeting), my water was nice and cool and my corals and fish were thriving, but cYano had spread throughout my tank and it was even starting to cover my macro algae. see my 6/12 update in my blog. ALthough my skimmer had
re-broken in with its new, (former), Mag 7 and I had skimmate.

The night of June 16th I added a bag of PhosAr to my filter sock, (125 grams to treat 125 gallons). I rinsed it well but it still turned the sock red. I ordered a bunch of Boyd industried Chemi-Pure since Robert Fenner said it was good carbon.


June 17th
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Saturday June 17th at the advice of the experts at the club meeting I decided to remove my cyano. I spent 4 hours with my arm in my tank sucking out sand. I yanked a ton of sand and I had no spots of red anywhere in my tank anymore. This day was no doubt stressful on my fish as I was in the tank all day. I even moved some corals around.


June 19th
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On June 19th I removed the PhosAr from my filter sock. The bag felt like a sack of mashed mush.

I decided to test my params and my Hardness, (alkalinity) was low, 5.6dKH and my Ca was at 380. I decide to start dosing. I go to the LFS after work and purchase ESV B-Ionic. I begin dosing this night to raise my Alk and Ca.

I dosed 35 ml of part one and two, Alk and Ca. and retested. My Alk was now 7.0/2.51 meq/L and my Ca 395.

This same night I notice a bizarre film on my water's surface.


June 20th
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On June 20th I added 5 bags of ChemiPure to my filter sock.

This same night I also notice my Xenia and Gorgonias are dead. Both the Xenia's flesh and the Gorgonias flesh fell of of there rock/body. It was weird. The Xenia got bizarre lesions on their stalks like white acid burns.


June 21st
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Maybe putting the carbon in my filter sock wasn't such a good idea. I notice my filter sock is black and my skimmer which was producing skimmate is no longer producing liquid skimmate but thick black tar. My filter sock and skimmer pump are in the same chamber. The skimmate was so black I thought there was carbon in my skimmer.

So I move the carbon into the return chamber and I clean my skimmer and change my filter sock. The skimmer has not produced any skimmate since.

The surface film persists, day 3 for the film. Nothing breaks it up.

I try to reposition my return nozzles to make more water movement on the surface. Even with a turbulent surface the film remains.


June 26th
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Here we are at the end of a very busy month for my tank. This month saw pump changes, cyano outbreaks, trials of new media, etc. etc.

So my skimmer is not producing skimmate. I have not had any skimmate since mid month before adding the carbon.

My cyano is under control but still present. I siphon out a few pounds of sand a week. My filter sock, even though no where near my carbon still turns black every week. ANd my skimmer bubbles are still black.

So I've got a black skimmer, black sock, surface film, mild cyano, dead corals, (just the Xenia and Gorgonia).

The good news is that I have been doing 13% water changes every week and testing params and dosing daily.

So did the carbon cause the film? Or did the PhosAr cause the film? Or did my dosing cause the film? Why is my skimmer not producing skimmate but the neck full of black bubbles, and why is my filter sock black every week before I change it?

Why did my corals die? Was it the sudden increase in Alkalinity?

My param log is attached below. My params are now just where I want them.

Thanks for any advice. I'd like to get the black carbon residue out of my system somehow and get my skimmer skimming again, and get that darn film off of my water surface. Even if I scoop it off the current surface a few hours later it comes back, so it just seems to be in the system. Maybe it is just the 2-part B-Ionic precipitating out of the water and normally I wouldn't notice except my skimmer isn't skimming right now so it stays?



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PARAM LOG BEGIN
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06/05/2006 8:15 PM
Temp: 83.5 F
Specific Gravity: 1.025
pH: 8.3
Carbonate Hardness: 5.6 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.00 meq/L
Calcium: 380 ppm

06/19/2006 7:30 PM
B-Ionic 2 part dose 35 ml

06/19/2006 8:15 PM
Temp: 79.9 F
Specific Gravity: 1.024
pH: 8.4
Carbonate Hardness: 7.0 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.51 meq/L
Calcium: 395 ppm

06/20/2006 12:35 PM
B-Ionic 2 part dose 20 ml

06/20/2006 6:34 PM
Temp: 78.6 F
Specific Gravity: 1.025
pH: 8.2
Carbonate Hardness: 7.2 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.56 meq/L
Calcium: 390 ppm

06/21/2006 5:35 PM
B-Ionic 2 part dose 525 ml (part 2 Ca only)

06/21/2006 9:10 PM
Temp: 79.7 F
Specific Gravity: 1.024
pH: 8.2
Carbonate Hardness: 7.0 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.51 meq/L
Calcium: 450 ppm

06/25/2006 12:50 PM
Temp: 79.5 F
Specific Gravity: 1.025
pH: 8.2
Carbonate Hardness: 7.2 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.57 meq/L
Calcium: 430 ppm

06/25/2006 1:45 PM
B-Ionic 2 part dose 40 ml (part 1 Alk only)

06/26/2006 6:30 PM
Temp: 79.3 F
Specific Gravity: 1.025
pH: 8.3
Carbonate Hardness: 7.4 dKH
Alkalinity: 2.63 meq/L
Calcium: 420 ppm

06/26/2006 6:45 PM
B-Ionic 2 part dose 40 ml (part 1 Alk only)


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PARAM LOG END
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Looking for ideas and advice at this point.

THanks
JOsh
 
I suspect that given the recent history, you are seeing a thick protein film on the surface. It is reducing O2 and causing more issues. Looking at your log, it does seem like things are slowly improving, but once a tank does this it's long road back to total health. If only they improved as fast as they go downhill. :rolleye1:

The solution to pollution... I'd do a BIG water change. Maybe 50%. I know I sound like a broken record here on the water changes lately, but it's low cost and harmless, and will export a lot of built-up crap from your recent troubles.

While you are at it, I would soak skimmer pump and skimmer in vinegar and then rinse well. There is probably lingering residue and that may help get a lot off. Some sort of residue is probably the issue with the skimmer.

Xenia seems to hate low pH and low Alk, and you had a dip there. Perhaps it was already stressed and that knocked it over the edge?

Is your cyano gone?
 
Josh, first let me tell you do a great job documenting your reef tank... I don't think I remember what I did to my tank yesterday :lol:

The black water and skimmate stands out. It is also when you lost the corals. When I use carbon, it takes a lot of soaking / rinsing until it is ready for use. I also see the carbon dust and oily film when the carbon first sees water. I am guessing that is where your film comes from, and your black skimmate is a good indication of it. If you look at the water surface level, is there some gunk on the glass?

I would take a large cup (like a 40oz cup from 7-11) and use it to collect the oliy film from the water surface. I do that to my skimmer-less QT tank once in a while, because the leftover food breaks down and leaves some residue at the water surface.
HTH
 
Thanks Nicole. I only have a 19 gallon bucket, so I can only do 13% change at a time, but I could do one 13% change every day. It takes an entire day to produce that much RO anyway.

The Cyano is not gone, but it is not growing on my corals and macro algae anymore. I simply have little pools of it in depressions in the sand bed instead of the complete sand bed coverage and coral coverage I used to have. Every day I fight it.

Thanks
Josh
 
Oh, and I almost forgot, one more possibloe factor.

on june 10th I added 10 new corals to my tank.

So there may have been a bioload spike June 10thish.

Josh
 
THanks benny I will examine the film more and keep at the removal proces.

Like Nicole said I should probably take out my skimmer pump and skimmer and clean them well. Even though the carbon is now in my return section the water coming out of my drain at the other end is turning my sock black, so clearly, (or unclearly), I still have black in my water.

Thanks
Josh
 
Josh, right when you said you got it stocked and were bored :-P

Hang tight, keep upp the changes. Nice documentation, I wish I was that good. Once I have AquaNotes working,myabe.
 
Thanks man :)

I really should spend a few hours and build a web enabled app for this thing. A few sql tables a few ASP.NET pages. It sure would make reporting on the data easier.

I've been tempted to spend a weekend developing an online tool for param tracking, but I'm sure its been done before. God it would be a no brainer.

Josh
 
Josh, time to call in some favors for borrowed buckets full of RO and mixing powerheads. :) I think a single big change, in this case, would do you more good.

But get the skimmer cleaned and that carbon well rinsed first, and see how it goes.
 
Yeppy. I just changed my sock, It was clogged with carbon gunk.

I cleaned my skimmer pump and skimmer. They were both clogged with carbon gunk.

The carbon instructions say to rinse lightly. Which I did before adding it.

So what's the scoop here? Should I always rinse carbon vigorously regardless of what the instructions say?

Thanks
Josh
 
I took out all the bags of carbon and I can't rinse them enough!

The more I rinse them under the faucet the more black water comes out.

How do you know when is a good time to stop rinsing? They never completely stop outputting dark water.

Josh
 
if you are shaking the carbon vigorously/shaking around you are chipping/shaving the carbon causing the black water to pour out.

Just rinse it all around without shaking it, maybe a nudge here and there.

I bow down to your Reef Diary...

Just keep up the hard work man, that cyano will be gone in no time!
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Josh=Evil Alien with super Reef Tactics

Smiley=Vulnerable, weak cyano muahaha!
 
Carbon shoulb not be in the sock. Place it in your refuge section where the skimmer output is. There you have great flow, but not such heavy flow that the carbon ends up beating itself into a powder.
 
I had a similar thing happend to me . My mistake was that i adjusted the alkalinity too fast. Reefs do not like drastics changes in water parameters. My alk was at about 6 alk. The goal is between 11-14 alk. My son's tank had cyano and i tried a Red slime remover medication. It was gone in about a day and a half. I am just raising the alk in his tank slowly this time. One think i noticed with the medication is that it oxygenated the water and made my skimmer go crazy.
 
Thanks guys.

My F1sh R D34D!, That yellow death ray represents my siphon :)
I suppose my error then is that I am too rough with the carbon. I am washing it like a small asian lady giving a fat american business man a massage. I mean that I squeeze it and rub it and try to get all the black out, but I think you're right, the more I smash the stuff the blacker the water gets. So I just hold it still under my faucet? I don't try to shake it all loose?

Bryan, you are exactly right. Putting it in the filter sock was a huge mistake. And I'm paying the price, in addition to all my gear being internally coated with carbon, my display water, though looking crystal clear, will stain a paper towel black if I dip a paper towel in it. I've since moved the carbon to the last chamber in my sump. However I think I've got a few more days ahead of me of repeated sock changes and skimmer cleanings as my sock which I am replacing nightly still gets black every day.

chalowolf, I think you are dead on. Until last night when I gathered all the data in one place it hadn't occured to me just how fast I had raised my Alk. I went from 2.00 meq/L to 2.56 meq/L in about 18 hours.

Thanks guys
Josh
 
Josh want a break... come help me...
This weekend...
Plumb in my final pump.
Finish Canopy
Get ACIII program finalized
Build workstation to run Aquanotes
Plan Lazy reefer water change system
QT Seahorses
oh, and play wiht kids, keep wife happy and be an all around good husband/daddy

eesh
 
I was hoping you'd be over at my house for "Josh's Birthday Extravaganza"

I'm taking Friday and Monday off, and Tuesday is a holiday, so it's a 5 day weekend for me.

i was hoping to have a birthday BBQ saturday, but the girls will all be at Em's wedding shower I think. Sunday I'm busy with my parents. I was also hoping to have a LAN party Saturday night.

But I don't know what anyone's availability is other than we'll all be watching the kids on Saturday so the women can go to the shower.

Maybe we can all hang at your place early Saturday. I just don't know how much work we'll get done on your tank with 7 kids over :)

When is Mike back from Europe?

Cheers
Josh
 
Mike should be back soon, Thursday?

Yea, Saturday I will have to take off.

LAN sounds fun, what we playing? Saturday, my place, your place, where ever.
 
Well I was planning on playing Battlefield 2, Prey Demo, and Counter Strike Source. Both of my gaming rigs have their own copies of each of those loaded. Although for three players we'll either need somone to bring another computer, (w/software), or we can play 3 player games on the XBOX 2 (Gauntlet, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, etc.).

April is always cool with the LAN parties, but you and Mike will need to convince your women to let you abandon your families for the night.

Josh
 
By chance do you guys play Return To Castle Wolfenstein/EnemyTerritory online?

If you guys play counter strike source online let me know what servers IP so we can play if thats cool with yall. I think my neighbor has the game Im pretty good at first shooter games.

Sam;)
 
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