Help my tangs dying!!!!

[STYAL]

Hi,

Just need some help and advise.

Thats weekend i decide to cement a few corals and rock down so they did not get blow off and push around by snails ext. i used a two part product which went purple. I have a 450L tank which is 6 weeks old.

I used the full pack and noticed the water went abit cloudy but thought it would clear up so went to fish shop to get some water for 1st water change. when i returned about 2/3 hours later i noticed the water had cleared up but most of the fish were lifeless. i rang the shop and they told me that the cement will have taken all the o2 out the water. I then turned all powerhead up and got the o2 back to normal.

Unfortunately i lost 13 fish that day,

Now it is 4 days on and the fish that are in there seem like they are getting back to normal but i don't understand what is wrong with my Blue waving hands it seems FLAT lost all life, it was doing brill before saturday. also a problem with my blue/purple carpet anemone and bubble tip anemone, the carpet also seems flat and the mouth is about 2/3 inch open with white puss leaking out. the bubble tip is just small and lifeless.

do you think the whole tang is just stressed after what haven't with the o2, all the water test seems fine and i am running carbon and 3 other JBL removers in filter.

Sorry theres so much writing just trying to give you the whole picture.

 

[STYAL]

This is the carpet,

 

[Tmoriarty]

I wish I could offer my help but honestly there is a number of mistakes you have made that have lead to the results you have gotten. I will try to give you some information without bashing you to much as I can only assume you are new to the hobby.

Starting with the cement that killed your fish. Adding a full set of 2-part epoxy that is not fish safe will indeed kill all of your fish if not most everything in your tank. You can glue down corals but should not need near that much and there are safe 2-parts that you should be using (if not just use normal super glue in small amounts). The dead fish caused a spike in ammonia most likely that took most everything else with it (if not yet, it will soon). You should be doing massive water changes of 50%+ every day until you get your levels back balanced out.

You have to attempt to remove the toxin you have added into the tank from the epoxy and whatever else you have that has died in the tank (the dieoff of micro organisms will cause a large ammonia spike as well).

What you have in the second picture looks like a melting carpet anemone, if that is the case multiple mistakes have been made. First you added an anemone to a tank that was hardly cycled, let alone mature. You should wait a minimum of 6 months before adding an anemone, especially one as hard to keep as a carpet anemone (haddoni it looks like). Six weeks is not near enough time for your tank to stabalize. You can add an anemone earlier then six months if you have used previously used LR/LS and have experience keeping nems, that way you know what to watch for fluctiations that may kill your animals.

Second if that nem is as far gone as it looks there is no comming back, if you leave it in your tank it will take whatever you have left in the tank with it because of the large ammonia spike it will create.

Again right now 50% water changes daily, remove that dying anemone (its to far gone to recover for a haddoni, at least any I have ever seen), and read up a lot more before adding any additional livestock to your tank.

 

[Tmoriarty]

Another thing to add, never add that many fish to your tank at once (If your tank has only been setup for six weeks) you should always add fish 1/2 at a time unless you have a substantially sized tank. You have to allow the tank to adapt to the new bio-load that comes with the addition of any new livestock.

Take things a lot slower, you will have much more success.

 

[ct_vol]

I wish I could offer my help but honestly there is a number of mistakes you have made that have lead to the results you have gotten. I will try to give you some information without bashing you to much as I can only assume you are new to the hobby.

:thumbsup:

Really at this point, you need to make sure the conditions in your tank will keep anything that is left alive, including that nice looking clown pair.

Tmoriarty's advice was fairly well spot on. Large water changes and GAC would be a good idea. Good luck to you.

 

[STYAL]

Hi

Thanks for the advice. I think there was a little misunderstanding. The epoxy I used was reef safe ( D-D AquaScape Aquarium Epoxy) this did take out most of the oxygen causing a lot of fish to die and stressed out others.

You was right about the carpet, i took it back to shop and they refunded me, Unknown what was wrong with it.

Due to the dead fish and Carpet Anemone the ammonia was creeping up. I have added aqua one Aqua One Chemizee - Zeolite ammonia remover and also started a course of JBL Denitrol 50ml daily.

and also have added in to the filters.

JBL BioNitrat Ex
JBL PhosEx Ultra
JBL SilicatEx

I have also been running JBL Carbon Active Filter since the tank was set up on 1/09/12 and change every 6 weeks.

Here is a list of what I have.

Equipment

Tank - Eheim 460 Aquarium (Walnut/White)

Filter 1 - Eheim 2080 Professional 3
Filter 2 - Eheim 2075 Professional 3
Heater - Hydor ETH 300 External Thermal
UV - Vecton V2 400 Steriliser x 2
Lighting - 4 x 54w T5 lighting with Giesemann bulbs
Lighting - AquaRay AquaBeam 600 Ultra Strip - Reef Blue Twin
Power heads - SICCE Voyager 4 Stream with wave controller x 2

Corals

Blue mushroom
Red mushroom
Green mushroom
Blue Waving hand (Xeniidae Polyps)
Pussey coral (Leather coral)
Brown Centred (Xeniidae Polyps)
Green Bay (Zoanthus Polyps)
Hammer head (LPS)
Elegance (XL) (LPS)
Cabbage coral (Leather coral)
Toadstool (Leather coral)
Bubble tip (Anemone)
Blue Maxima (Clam)
Flashing scallop
Duncan coral (Polyp)
Lobophyllia (LPS)
Favia (LPS)
Ricordea (little mushroom)
Blastomussa (LPS)


Fish

Black ice snowflake pair
Emperor Cardinals x 2
Clown goby
Filamented flasher wrasse
Pistol shrimp
Cleaner shrimp
Flame angel
Regal tang
Chalk goby

Hope this gives you a good picture and welcome any advise on what steps I can take to get the fish tank back on track.

 

[All6Fish]

The way I tok it was your tank is only 6 weeks old lol but now that you said its 9 months old id say you should be ok adding but NEVER so many at one time. I have 2 tanks and I do 20% water changes faithfully every weekend. So far we havent had any major issues, what are your parameters?

 

[Votts]

+1 to tmoriarty... anemones should not be in any tank that is not at least 6 months old.. also you should only ad 1 fish at a time or maybe 2 depending on the size.. also i would reccommend that you dont start using a bunch of chemical add ins because its not nature safe....

 

[Tmoriarty]

The way I tok it was your tank is only 6 weeks old lol but now that you said its 9 months old id say you should be ok adding but NEVER so many at one time. I have 2 tanks and I do 20% water changes faithfully every weekend. So far we havent had any major issues, what are your parameters?

Based on his previous posts in his other threads, his tank is only 6 weeks old, he is listing the date as 01SEP2012, not 09JAN2012.

 

[Tmoriarty]

The additives you are adding are a temporary fix to a larger overlying problem. You have a fully stocked tank that has only been running for 6 weeks, you have only performed 1 water change on this tank (as stated in previous comments).

Your problem Is more that you have gone way to fast not only in stocking but in trying to fix the problems. As stated before you need to perform large water changes to try to get your levels back down, the nitrate/phosphate/ammonia removers will help for now, but they will not fix the problem of an overstocked tank. The tank needs to balance its bio-load which isn't going to happen as fast as you would like.

Best of luck, slow down a bit, and by all means don't add another anemone until your tank is a few months more mature and you have done plenty of research. You should not add any new livestock for at least a month to make sure you can stabalize your tank as it is now. If you have any more losses, coral or fish, wait another month from that point before you add anything else at least. Once your tank has "balanced it self" and it is stable for at least a month, then you can consider adding new livestock.

Make sure any new livestock you add is researched prior to adding it to ensure you have the proper equipment for its care. Do not add any fish without knowing what it is compatible with.

Also be wary of your LFS's advice, I get the feeling from the fact they sold you a carpet anemone after only having the tank for 6 weeks that they may be steering you in the completly wrong direction.