High Phosphates...

roadrunner1659

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I've been told that i have high phosphates from possibly over feeding and not having a cleanup crew to eat the leftovers...right now im having diatom outbreaks and i was wondering...

can high phosphates turn to anything outher than diatoms...like with negative effects like ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates?

THANKS!
 
Re: High Phosphates...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6604620#post6604620 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roadrunner1659

can high phosphates turn to anything outher than diatoms...like with negative effects like ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates?

Some hair algae love phosphates. Phosphates have been known to limit calcification of corals.

There are many different types of phosphate remover. I have used both Phosban and Rowa-Phos in a phosphate reactor will good results. Keep in mind that nothing good happens fast in a reef so if you add a phosphate reactor do not crank it on full blast... Start with a trickle as slowly increase flow over a week or so.

There are studies that show macro algae is and is not effective at removing phosphates so it may or may nor work.

Thanks,

Scott
 
that seems like a great product but i'm not looking to purchase anything im just looking to find out whether or not it turns into anything and whether or not its really bad for my tank?

i plan on taking care of it by getting a cleanup crew to eat the rest of the food...limiting the amount of phosphates remain in the tank and then i will also do water changes...
 
With clean up critters you are not really removing the phosphates from the system as their waste will have the phosphates. You will need to export the phosphates in some way.

BTW diatoms are an indication of the presence of silicates not phosphates.

Thanks,

Scott
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6605667#post6605667 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GARFVolunteer
With clean up critters you are not really removing the phosphates from the system as their waste will have the phosphates. You will need to export the phosphates in some way.

BTW diatoms are an indication of the presence of silicates not phosphates.

Thanks,

Scott

what are silicates?
 
how old is your tank? i know i had cyano nasty, ill never do a dsb again , 1-2" max.......................these things feed off the phosphates built up in your sandbed, phosphate removers dont work because it never gets released into the water column enuff for removal , the algae/bacteria consume it pronto................monthly doses of boyds chemi-clean and vacuuming out sand with water changes has been the only thing that worked for me, also cutting back feeding from once a day to once every 3 days.............
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6607817#post6607817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roons
how old is your tank? i know i had cyano nasty, ill never do a dsb again , 1-2" max.......................these things feed off the phosphates built up in your sandbed, phosphate removers dont work because it never gets released into the water column enuff for removal , the algae/bacteria consume it pronto................monthly doses of boyds chemi-clean and vacuuming out sand with water changes has been the only thing that worked for me, also cutting back feeding from once a day to once every 3 days.............

my tank is about 3 years old with about a 3-4 inch ...for now i'm going to see how it goes with simple weekly water changes, because that is my usual schedule and i'll also watch my feedings...and then we'll take it from there! hopefully the addition of a good sand bed cleanup crew will help out too!
 
water changes wont help if its phosphates leaching from sand, and critters dont eat phosphates, good luck , but i bet youll end up vacuuming some of that sand out...........=(
 
ok ok...i went to the LFS tonight and i had them test my phosphates...he told me that they are low not the cause of this outbreak!?!

so what could this brown stuff be?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6612455#post6612455 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roadrunner1659
so what could this brown stuff be?

With out seeing it I would guess diatoms or cyanobacteria(aka red/green slime).

If it is a new tank, the diatoms will eventually calm down or may never go away. Lawn-mower blennies, snails, and hermits will help control them. Also using an RO unit unit will help remove the silicates from the tap water.

If the problem is cynobacteria (slime), the problem is usually a little worse. IME, higher nitrates can cause an outbreak of slime. When I get it I will do a water change and syphon as much of the slime out as possible then treat the tank with Boyd's Chemi-clean. The chemi-clean is just a band-aid and does not remove the original cause of the outbreak. Increasing current flow, recharging the sand-bed, and optimizing the skimmer are the first things that I try. There are not many herbivores that like it.

Thanks,

Scott
 
GARFVolunteer

My tank is 3 yrs old...i use Ro water...its not a slime like red...its just brown... i tested yesterday and all of my levels are at 0 except ammonia is elevated...salinity and ph are good to. last friday i did a 4 gal water change and monday the tank was covered...that next day i cleaned everything and did a 6 gal water change...yesterday the tank was again very dirty and everything was brown.
 
your not listening, your not going to find phosphates on a test , re read my posts......................treat with boyds chemi clean and start siphoning out a little sand with every water change.............i run ozone , my tank is impecabble....................i still have to treat once a month with boyds until i get enuff of the sand and phos out b4 it will stop..............................nothing eats cyano


and id get myself some test kits of your own, your lfs will just get your head spinning
 
how should i siphone the sand...just place the water vacume over it? and hopw cold to the sand should i get? also if my sand is saturated then what can i do...add new sand?
 
I siphon with a 1/2" or 3/4" hose depending on which one I pick up first.

Is it a brown film covering everything or is it brown mats? If it is a film it is more than likely diatoms which the critters I mentioned before will take care of.

If it comes in brown mats it very well could be cyno. It that case siphon as much as you can out, treat with Boyds Chemi-clean by following the direction exactly. Once the treatment is done, you need to figure out what I causing the problem. Unfortunately it is difficult to do since the cyno is probably consuming what is feeding it si it is undetectable. Every tank has cyno in it since it is everywhere. If it is given the right conditions it will grow and spread to be an epidemic quickly. Try removing the conditions by increasing current flow, recharging the sand-bed with more live sand, optimizing the skimmer, adding adding carbon, increasing alkalinity, using a phosphate remover, reducing nutrients etc.

I know a lot of people with DSBs that do not have chronic problems with cyno so I would not jump on the sand bed right away. If the problem is phosphates, the phosphate removers will work once the chemi-clean has done it job. BTW most phosphate tests in the hobby are not very accurate since they usually test for inorganic phosphates and the one that usually cause the problems are organic.

So if you have diatoms, get critters to eatit. If it is cyno treat and fix...

Thanks,

Scott
 
i use a piece of clear hose i got from lowes, so if something gets clogged in it , which it will , rock snail etc, i can see it and work it thru.............................

i do the top layer of the sand,drag across it, a water /gravel siphon wont work as its designed not to remove substrate but to clean it, you need major suction, i use 5/8" hose..................

then i sift thru the pails and pick any snails i see alive out and drop em back in tank, you have to do a water change after using boyds , so every month i treat the night b4 i do the change, need to keep skimmer off for 24hrs.....

pia but im getting less and less cyano with every month........it takes about 2 weeks to reappear.................

i find it easier to siphon it out than to spend boatloads of cash on cleanup crews that may or may not work...................

at this point im a believer in the dsb debate, ill never do it again , its a phosphate sponge and too much work and money to try to keep it from becoming such


and after all of this my phosphate remover(chaeto) is now starting to grow, i tried it twice b4 and it just shriveled up and died, i think its my fault as i added chaeto to far down the road after i started tank and the phosphates had allready taking hold in dsb.....................now that im removing what has been consuming them my chaeto is finally consuming them b4 they have a chance to sink into the dsb................at least this is my observation....................
 
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