Holacanthus Passer!!!

[Osmotic Shock]

The big tank is at least a year away. I haven't been in my new house for that long and have alot of other expensive things that need to be done first. I set up the 95 wavefront as a temporary tank and that cost me over 3K.

The spot I picked for the big tank is along a wall around 10 ft so I am going to have the tank fill the wall. It can only stick out about 2 ft. The only other variable I can change is the height and I really dont want to go more then 30 inches. My old tank was 72x24x30. Even at 30 in deep it was hard to clean the along the sand line. That tank wasn't a month old and I wished it was longer- 8 or 10 ft. I really like the look of long tanks plus so much more swimming room.

I think you have a very good stock list if you do just the one angel, some tangs, trigger,wrasse and maybe puffer or grouper.You have a lot of options.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Only problem with the trigger, wrasse and puffer is inverts. I want to have a clean up crew and shrimp, stars, etc. Angels is what I really love, and in a tank that big, I'd hate to only have just one. I'd like three, guess I will have to wait and see when I set the tank up, how the aggression is with the passer and if there is any big angels for sale (queen or emperor).

D@mn! 3k for the wavefront! That could have been most of your big tank right there! 10ft is just going to be a pain to do with plywood, that's all. I'm worried about cleaning my tank. That's why I want inverts/CUC and going bare bottom, also having a sponge attached to PVC will help clean algae etc.

 

[Osmotic Shock]

I hear ya.

 

[clekchau]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11305569#post11305569 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Only problem with the trigger, wrasse and puffer is inverts. I want to have a clean up crew and shrimp, stars, etc. Angels is what I really love, and in a tank that big, I'd hate to only have just one. I'd like three, guess I will have to wait and see when I set the tank up, how the aggression is with the passer and if there is any big angels for sale (queen or emperor).

D@mn! 3k for the wavefront! That could have been most of your big tank right there! 10ft is just going to be a pain to do with plywood, that's all. I'm worried about cleaning my tank. That's why I want inverts/CUC and going bare bottom, also having a sponge attached to PVC will help clean algae etc.

have you considered tiger cowries and/or large queen conchs?

 

[Osmotic Shock]

I really never thought about them. Any good for cleaning up?

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

I was considering large snails and crabs, but would that work? I wanted to have some shrimp and stars as well. I love the interaction of cleaner shrimp and brittle stars eat detris and other bad things in the aquarium. Another LFS just got in a 6-7" Queen and a 6-7" Emperor angels, I am seriously considering!!! They are bigger then my passer, but I don't know how they will react. Think I have a better chance with a Pomacanthus genus since the passer is a Holocanthus? So go for the Emperor, but the Queen and Emperor are my favorite, especially after having two before that were the best of buds, wish I could get them back now that I have a bigger tank.

 

[Grevious]

I had a 12" Emporor in the same 300 gallon system with a 7" Passer for over two years. Never had any problems between the two, but I guess that could always have changed when the Passer got larger.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Nice, whats in your 600g? Sounds sweet, have any pics? Were those the only two large angels you had? My passer is about 5-5.5", I'd like to add the 6-7" Emperor and Queen angels my LFS has. Those are my top 3 fav angels. I am worried about mixing two holocanthus species together (passer and queen) and also the emperor angels usually like to be top dog. I am not sure how aggressive my passer is since he's the only fish in his QT/holding tank. Every fish is different, so you never know until you try. Whenever I do end up trying to add another angel, I will rearrange the rock on the passer and eggcrate the angels off. Hopefully they can get used to each other without hurting one another. I need to add some damsels in as well to reduce stress between the angels and eat the little scraps the big fish leave behind.

 

[Grevious]

I am down to one angel at this time. I had an Emporor, Passer, Annularis, Blue-masked, Six-bar, Flag-Fin in the 300 gallon but lost them when a bulkhead in the 300 gallon rubbermaid stock tank they were living in during set-up of the 600 broke:mad2:

Now I have just an Adult Chrysurus angel with plans for another Emp, Queen, Blue-line angel. Along with all the tangs.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Ouch, sorry to hear that, stuff like that always happens when your never home. How did all the angels get along? What sizes and also what tangs? I am doing something very similar to your set up. I'd like a passer, emperor, queen angels in my 360g. I'd love to add another pomocanthus angel like a blueface, French or bluering. As far tangs go, I'd like a dussumieri, red sea salfin, sohal, purple and chocolate. Also will have a few filler fish like damsels, gobies, blennies, maybe anthias.

 

[Grevious]

All the angels got along (I forgot, I also had a French). They ranged anywhere from 7" to 12" I kept them well fed, lots of Nori.

I have a Dussumieri, Sohal, Vlimangi, Purple, Blue Hippo, Yellow-bellied blue hippo, Royal Gramma, Chrysurus Angel, and Orange spot goby currently. I have quite a long wish list of Angels and Tangs.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Sounds like a nice fish list. Glad to hear all the fish got along. What other tangs are you planning on adding? I plan to keep them well fed as well. I just have to worry about keeping up with skimming. I can't go crazy with a skimmer, and need to keep the electric bill down. I think I will try adding a queen and emperor, hopefully all goes well, if not, I have new homes for them lined up. Any suggestions on how to introduce all the fish? I plan on moving the rock around to disturb the passer, and dividing the tank into sections with eggcrate. Let them get used to each other, then when I take the eggcrate out (if they are good with each other) maybe have the lights off that day. Then see how it goes from there. I definitely want them to have their own section of the tank, and see how the interact with each other, without action touching each other.

 

[clekchau]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11318596#post11318596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Osmotic Shock
I really never thought about them. Any good for cleaning up?

i have a porcupine puffer, sunset wrasse and harlequin tusk and they don't/can't mess with queen conchs or tiger cowries. they however have eaten all my snails and a peppermint shrimp.

but regardless of how many cleaners you will have to clean the front at least once a week, at least from my experience

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Yeah, I guess those would work. I would also like cleaner shrimp and maybe a brittle star. I know cleaner shrimp are a hit or miss with triggers/puffers/wrasses. I'd love to get a clown trigger, harlequin tusk, and some sort of dogface puffer. I still would like to add a couple more angels, well see when the time comes.

 

[Osmotic Shock]

Hey Shrimp how's he doing? Eating like a champ?

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Yeah, he's a pig! I missed having another big angel around, until I saw him poo! I need to get my 110 set up, as a BB, so I can syphon out all that crap! I am still debating whether or not to try and add another angel or two. I found a slightly bigger queen and emperor angels for sale at a LFS. I am also debating to go with a clown trigger, wrasse and dogface puffer. It's still all up in the air, but the the 360g isn't anywhere near being set up yet, so I still have time. Are you going to try and other angels with your passer when you get your big tank setup?

 

[Osmotic Shock]

No I don't think so. Once I start working on it I'll get a stock list that should work together, the one angel, bunch of tangs,wrasse probably, maybe a less agressive trigger.

The thought mixing a few angels and then having to get one out of a 300 + gallon tank with 300 lb live rock makes me cringe!

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

My idea, was to seperate the tank with eggcrate, so the angels go used to each other. If they never did, then it would be a lot easier getting the fish out. Just an idea, I love angels, and would hate to have a big tank with only one in it, even if it is a passer, queen and emperor's are my favorites, then passer, blueface. I'm hoping three will do the trick, if there was two, I could see them fighting, even though my emperor and queen were attached at the fin. Hopefully odd numbers, introduced at the same time, will be ok.

 

[TheSaltwaterGuy]

Any new pics, DPS?

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Of the 360 or the passer? The 360 is staying put for quite sometime, I've been busy with finals, selling my bike and fixing my car. The passer is still in the 75g holding tank at my apt. Sometime this month I'll get the 110g setup for him at my rents house, I'm still working on them letting me put up the 360. I could snap a few pics of the passer in a tank with live rock and sand, but nothing new. I want to get a new fish or two when I go to add him to the 110, then I'll definetly take some new pics. How's your baby doing and her pond coming along?