How to safely and fastly disinfect a QT
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sea of cortez
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Wouldnt just fresh water kill any marine ich??????
You'd be surprised how tough some of these parasites are..
ArtemisGoldfish
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Christ...
First off..."fastly" ...really?
Also, a copper treatment would have worked. Cupramine, Coppersafe, etc. There's no need to breakdown the entire quarantine tank if you found an ailment. Just treat it accordingly.
First off..."fastly" ...really?
Also, a copper treatment would have worked. Cupramine, Coppersafe, etc. There's no need to breakdown the entire quarantine tank if you found an ailment. Just treat it accordingly.
fcmatt
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keep in mind the poster is from Egypt. forgive any language mistakes he makes.
i do not think one wants to treat a QT tank with copper products in order to
prepare it for the next round... perhaps he wants a copper sensitive fish next?
i dunno. the hydrogen peroxide sounds like a great idea since it is cheap, potent,
and easily cleaned up after with a really solid rinsing.
ArtemisGoldfish
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I never implied keeping copper in a barren tank for the purpose of adding in the next fish. IE, my usage of the past tense "would have worked." There shouldn't be any parasites or disease in the tank if the fish was successfully treated. We're missing quite a bit of information here as to if the fish survived, what was used in the tank and so forth.
It's pointless to break down an entire tank because you find Crypto in it. You're more likely to run into issues by adding unknowns in.
The fish i had in the qt died of copper poisoning. I was using an ammonia remover before adding copper to the tank and i didnt know thAt it would react with cupramine. It turns out that it reacts with cupramine making it 10 times more toxic.
I ve filled up the tank and emptied it several times with tap water. I ve let the tank stay full with tap water for one day. Now the tank has been left dry for one day. Do i still need the hydrogen peroxide or is that enough? Also i ve soaked the filtering equipment in tap water for a day
I ve filled up the tank and emptied it several times with tap water. I ve let the tank stay full with tap water for one day. Now the tank has been left dry for one day. Do i still need the hydrogen peroxide or is that enough? Also i ve soaked the filtering equipment in tap water for a day
ArtemisGoldfish
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Like Bleach. I've also read no studies performed regarding Hydrogen Peroxide being an effective anti-parasitic agent.
I've been doing a bit of research regarding this and I can't find any actual information that would suggest that anything in ammonia reducers would strip chelated copper thereby making it free.
If anyone could provide a chemical explanation of what agents are causing copper precipitation and how, this would be a boon to everyone. This does not mean: "derp derp, it gets 10 times more potent" or " it goes from Cu +2 to +10" which also makes no sense.
I've personally used Purigen and Amquel with both Coppersafe and Cupramine with zero problems. I'm willing to that bet you turned your fish to pennies and/or had an ammonia issue. Do you have a Cu testing kit that examines bonded copper? Also, what were your ammonia readings?
fcmatt
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from seachem's website:
"If Product X is a reducing agent such as ParaGuard™ (or other aldehyde based medications), or if you overdose with a dechlorinator, such as Prime then the Cu+2 will be reduced to Cu+. Cu+ is 10 times more toxic than Cu+2"
most ammonia removers are reducing agents correct?
but that is what the poster is talking about. also cupramine is not a chelated copper.
ArtemisGoldfish
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"I've also read no studies performed regarding Hydrogen Peroxide being an effective anti-parasitic agent"
HOW BOUT THIS ONE ???
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/FA/FA15700.pdf
HOW BOUT THIS ONE ???
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/FA/FA15700.pdf
The ammonia remover i used also removes chlorine. My fish was in a good condition and ammonia was 0.5ppm before i added the ammonia remover. I followed all the instructions on the cupramine bottle. I added 1/2 the dose thats supposed to kill the parasite only and as soon as i did the fish was completely stressed. I thought that was normal because its my first time to use cupramine. After 8 hrs the fish was dead. So i am definately sure the ammonia remover and the copper together are the cause of death
cougaran
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Hottuna thats a second article i've seen on hydrogen peroxide... I thought reefkeeper or another web had said something about it, but not as detailed as that report.. Essentially what I did read is thats its still new, especially for saltwater fish. Even your article mentioned that several species cant handle this chemical and die.. I'm guessing it may be the same in Saltwater industry for now. Although even your copper treatment has fish you shouldn't use it against...
I would love to see a hydrogen peroxide thread as a preventative measure or fish disease cure by those that have used it......
As a fish tank disinfect im still sticking to my bleach method, which BTW isnt a method for disease cure...unless you want to permantly CURE the tank..
I would love to see a hydrogen peroxide thread as a preventative measure or fish disease cure by those that have used it......
As a fish tank disinfect im still sticking to my bleach method, which BTW isnt a method for disease cure...unless you want to permantly CURE the tank..
The only thing I have against the bleach vs peroxide is that bleach leaves a residue,even when you rinse extensively..
Someone I know in the aquarium filtration business with a degree in chemical engineering told me about the bleach residue and recommended peroxide instead-I have been using it ever since...
P.S. - I would also like to see a thread on hydrogen peroxide as it relates to fish disease treatment...hopefully some out there have tried it already and can relate experiences...
Someone I know in the aquarium filtration business with a degree in chemical engineering told me about the bleach residue and recommended peroxide instead-I have been using it ever since...
P.S. - I would also like to see a thread on hydrogen peroxide as it relates to fish disease treatment...hopefully some out there have tried it already and can relate experiences...
fcmatt
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hey everyone that is new to cupramine. every ammonia test kit i know of will give you a
wrong reading when using cupramine. i hightly recommand seachem's little ammonia alert
thingy you hang in your tank via a suction cup. it was the only economical way i knew of
that could help me determine my ammonia levels. perhaps their test kit may work too. dunno.
but it is common for new people using cupramine to needlessly freak out about ammonia due to
not knowing this!
wrong reading when using cupramine. i hightly recommand seachem's little ammonia alert
thingy you hang in your tank via a suction cup. it was the only economical way i knew of
that could help me determine my ammonia levels. perhaps their test kit may work too. dunno.
but it is common for new people using cupramine to needlessly freak out about ammonia due to
not knowing this!
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