Ich/QT update

jeffbrig

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Okay, now for the bad news.

Take a close look at the side of the achilles tang.
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Nope, those aren't bubbles. :mad2:

So, after tearing the tank apart, hyposalinity, then copper, and letting the tank sit fallow for a full 8 weeks, we still have ich. In fact, these started to pop up on the achilles just 2 and 1/2 days after he made it back into the display. Kinda blows that "2 months fallow" treatment out of the water, eh? I can't tell you how frustrating this is to see...

The good thing is, he's fat and healthy, so this isn't really a threat to him. At this point, we have no real options other that to just try to maintain the best conditions possible and let the fish fend it off themselves. I just can't help thinking about all the time and effort we wasted with a quarantine that was completely ineffective at ridding ourselves of this problem.
:uzi: ich



The next piece of bad news is that achilles' aggression towards the PBT has increased tenfold since we put them back in the display. For the last day or so, PBT hasn't been able to leave the safety of the rocks. Achilles spends all day going from one side of the rock to the other, backing in scalpel first, hounding the PBT mercifully. Unfortunately, PBT wasn't in great shape coming out of QT, and was looking very thin. Now he's being hounded around the clock and not getting much (if anything) to eat. And I was worried that achilles would go after the similarly colored tomini, which he hasn't even looked at.

At lunchtime today I found the PBT with a nice cut on one side, but couldn't catch him with a net before he made it back to the rocks. Tonight, he ventured out in the open again, with achilles on the attack. I was able to net him this time, and he had a very deep cut on his other side. It's almost as if achilles senses the PBT's weakness and is going for the kill. :sad1:

Tonight, the PBT is in the safety of the refugium. We're going to hold him in there and let him (hopefully) recover, then try to find a good, safe home for him. It's very sad, he's been such a docile fish, and pbt's are typically known for aggression.
 
if you need help and a plce for him give me a call. sorry to hear about the ick from hell.
 
If I know Jeff and Christy they were exact in everything they did. I don't know another couple that go to that extreme for their tanks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10079830#post10079830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freed
Have you put ANYTHING at all in the tank during the time it was fallow?

Nope, we stopped buying anything when the ich breakout started. No new corals, no new inverts, no nothing. We believe the ich was introduced with a coral addition, so we were very careful to not add anything during treatment.

I'm trying to figure if the ich somehow used an invertebrate host to sustain itself, even though that goes against everything we're told about them. The tank contained a linkia star, a couple of clams, a few shrimp (pistol, cleaner, etc.), astrea snails, RBTAs, etc.
 
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Thanks Joe! We were thinking of your big beautiful tank when discussing an adoptive home. That way we could still occasionally get to see him. But first, I want to get him healed up and fatter. He's in no shape to transfer anywhere right now. Hopefully living in the fuge will do him some good.

--Christy (still too lazy to log out)

p.s. What do yall think Jeff's favorite fish almost killing my favorite fish is worth in shoes? This whole week has been depressing and I really need some shopping therapy. :(
 
Jeff/Christy

Sorry to hear about the ich and the Achilles. This must be very discouraging.

Like you said, this really goes against what we have been told.

Please keep us updated.
 
I was just thinking. Is there a chance of QT and display tank cross-contamination?

i.e. if I use the same hose to perform water changes in the QT and Display, would there be a chance to transfer the parasite?
 
I tend to think anything is possible at this point.

But when QTing, we have always kept things separate - completely different hoses, pumps, nets, feeding clips, etc for the quarantine tank. Washing and scrubbing hands after in the QT tanks, etc.

We were especially careful this go round because we didn't want to introduce any copper to the display.


--Christy
 
I personally think the ich was in the display and never died out. The fish spent 25 days in copper, which is 11 days longer than the recommended time (14) which is supposed to do the trick. The fish cleared their ich in the copper during the first few days and showed no signs of reinfection the remainder of their time in the QT. They were in the display 2.5 days when we saw the first bumps.

This is all extremely perplexing. This ich seems to have a quick life cycle based on what we have seen, so I don't know how it could have survived 8 weeks fallow unless 1) it is capable of hosting something else, or 2) is an entirely vicious strain which can last much longer without a host.


--Christy
 
Well Jeff- tons of previous discussions about ich and hosts vs not hosts
leads me to believe that your ich is a "mutant". And yes I do believe that its impossible to rid a tank from it(IMHO)
Nonetheless besides starting from scratch IMHO there's nothing u can do now but let the fish fend for themselves, and give them some "jeff" nutrition.
Good luck! BTW the tank looks good man.
 
I agree that it not something you can really get rid of and i just wait for them to fight it off themselves.

Ill also be happy to give the PBT a home, im cutting back on my tangs soon but that one of the few i want to keep.
 
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