Ich Taking Over My Life

[krzyphsygy]

Sounds crazy but true. I just ordered 4 fish from a sponsor on this forum with a great reputation. I only did this due to there QT procedures, I think its nuts to order fish online when you cant see them. I have been just having so much bad luck with Ich so I tried them out for the first time and they shipped me the worst group of fish I have ever had.

I ordered 3 Lyretail Anthias and 1 African Midas blenny all infected with ich. Not to mention one anthias had tore up fins. 3 Anthias already died, only had the fish since Tuesday, and the Blenny is infected right now. Soo ticked off. Thank goodness I placed them all in QT and did not take there QT protocols to heart.

If I would have trusted them and trusted in what this vendor said on how they QT, I would have risked my whole system.

All this time wasted now, two QT tanks now infected, so I have to tear them down again. Its totally draining and frustrating. My corals are starving because I only have 5 fish in my 125 and I need fish. I just cant get any healthy ones. Hypo has failed for me and I did it for 7 weeks with a 4 week recovery and it came back four weeks later.

Just wasting time and money on this.

 

[HumbleFish]

I went thru a stretch like you're describing. Everything had Ich or Velvet. It was after that I decided to just assume any & every fish I bought had Ich. So nowadays, as soon as the fish eats, the copper or chloroquine phosphate treatment begins. (Or TT with small fish.) You won't win every battle; but I'd be willing to bet you'd win more if you kicked hypo to the curb.

 

[javsku]

Tank transfer method worked for me twice. In my opinion when done correctly its full proof. I do this with every new fish and I have not lost any due to this process. If you are not familiar it's posted as a sticky in fish disease/treatment.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I don't know any online vendor that properly quarantines fish. Even DD, perhaps the best source of fish on the planet, strongly recommends a QT. How did you treat the new fish in your QT?

 

[krzyphsygy]

I don't know any online vendor that properly quarantines fish. Even DD, perhaps the best source of fish on the planet, strongly recommends a QT. How did you treat the new fish in your QT?

I wont say any names but QT with meds does not seem to be a real part of the process for this online as vendor as they state.

Yea, DD recommends that we QT, but they also say that they do this as well long before we get to see them for sale or before we receive them. California included, unfortunately I know this is not true in the California facility.

Treatment...I dont even want to talk about treatment. No offense, just sick of treating sick fish. This was never part of my hobby years ago but now seems to be all I do. I will try copper on the blenny but he wont make it through the night IMO. All three Anthias are dead.

 

[Mrscribbled]

The California facility does not put fish and inverts through a quarantine procedure, they have never stated that they do. They run large UV sterilizers and may medicate sick fish. DD does use a therapeutic quarantine. Even so the buyer should still quarantine and be prepared to treat from all vendors. There is no reason a fish placed directly into qt should die because of disease but often its the misuse of treatment that kills the fish or improper qt set up.


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[MrTuskfish]

The California facility does not put fish and inverts through a quarantine procedure, they have never stated that they do. They run large UV sterilizers and may medicate sick fish. DD does use a therapeutic quarantine. Even so the buyer should still quarantine and be prepared to treat from all vendors. There is no reason a fish placed directly into qt should die because of disease but often its the misuse of treatment that kills the fish or improper qt set up.


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I agree completely. Ich is quite easy to cure in a proper QT. Can you imagine what the QT regimen we do would do to the price of fish? Think of thousands of fish in quarantine; prices would double at least. Since I relocated after Katrina, 7 1/2 years ago, I've fully stocked about 1000 gals of DTs. Of course, I've lost some fish. But, I think I've only lost one fish to ich.

 

[Painted skin]

krzyphsygy I'll give you credit for having the common sense not to taking supplier at their word. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast in that the supplier try to flip as soon as they can. It would more of risk to them for losses if they keep onto them longer and especially if they have someone ready to buy they are not going to turn around and say "it's not ready yet you have to wait another 2-3 weeks" seldom you would fine supplier do that. Plus if require more retail space to QT the livestock they get until they are ready. I had a friend who own a LFS and he say he does QT for minimum 2 weeks and wouldn't sell it until then, but then again I've seen fish just come in and he does sell it to a person who just walked in. Thought I've been lucky dealing with a certain supplier that if they notice the fish is not doing well they are not going to sell it. Having said that on a few occasion I had dealt with same supplier, but different sales person they did sent me a parasite infested fish. They did replace it though. So now I only deal with one supplier for fish and one sales person from there as she know how picky I am.

 

[krzyphsygy]

The California facility does not put fish and inverts through a quarantine procedure, they have never stated that they do. They run large UV sterilizers and may medicate sick fish. DD does use a therapeutic quarantine. Even so the buyer should still quarantine and be prepared to treat from all vendors. There is no reason a fish placed directly into qt should die because of disease but often its the misuse of treatment that kills the fish or improper qt set up.


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Sorry , but yes they have stated that on the phone with me.

 

[krzyphsygy]

The California facility does not put fish and inverts through a quarantine procedure, they have never stated that they do. They run large UV sterilizers and may medicate sick fish. DD does use a therapeutic quarantine. Even so the buyer should still quarantine and be prepared to treat from all vendors. There is no reason a fish placed directly into qt should die because of disease but often its the misuse of treatment that kills the fish or improper qt set up.


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I agree completely. Ich is quite easy to cure in a proper QT. Can you imagine what the QT regimen we do would do to the price of fish? Think of thousands of fish in quarantine; prices would double at least. Since I relocated after Katrina, 7 1/2 years ago, I've fully stocked about 1000 gals of DTs. Of course, I've lost some fish. But, I think I've only lost one fish to ich.

As far as I am concerned , I did pay Almost double, a Midas blenny in my area goes for 24. 00 American, not 45. 00 so I do believe I paid for a quality fish and the online vendor in question agreed with me. I did my homework before and after the order was placed.

 

[krzyphsygy]

krzyphsygy I'll give you credit for having the common sense not to taking supplier at their word. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast in that the supplier try to flip as soon as they can. It would more of risk to them for losses if they keep onto them longer and especially if they have someone ready to buy they are not going to turn around and say "it's not ready yet you have to wait another 2-3 weeks" seldom you would fine supplier do that. Plus if require more retail space to QT the livestock they get until they are ready. I had a friend who own a LFS and he say he does QT for minimum 2 weeks and wouldn't sell it until then, but then again I've seen fish just come in and he does sell it to a person who just walked in. Thought I've been lucky dealing with a certain supplier that if they notice the fish is not doing well they are not going to sell it. Having said that on a few occasion I had dealt with same supplier, but different sales person they did sent me a parasite infested fish. They did replace it though. So now I only deal with one supplier for fish and one sales person from there as she know how picky I am.

Look, I appreciate all of the feed back you all are giving me but unfortunately , what your saying is incorrect. I spoke with this vendor and they state they will not ship a fish that is not ready. With all due respect, I am not on a rant here. These are facts given to me from the vendor. I again did my homework here. It's not a debate and everyone is entitled to there opinion. Unfortunately what you saying is incorrect . I am merely providing some information on my factual experience.

 

[Painted skin]

Look, I appreciate all of the feed back you all are giving me but unfortunately , what your saying is incorrect. I spoke with this vendor and they state they will not ship a fish that is not ready. With all due respect, I am not on a rant here. These are facts given to me from the vendor. I again did my homework here. It's not a debate and everyone is entitled to there opinion. Unfortunately what you saying is incorrect . I am merely providing some information on my factual experience.

I have no idea who you're dealing with, therefor I was not pointing fingers to any particular vendor... I do stand by my general information in regards of the nature of the business of fish supplier in "general" as most will try to flip their stock " the sooner the better".

I'm a bit confuse, one moment you saying they sent you fish with ich and the next your saying not? Well I guess base on your information if the fish supplier had properly QT the fish then I guess the problem is on your side.

IMO it's pointless to take anyone's word if they say they've QT it, with thousands of dollars on the line; even if Gandhi told me he QT the fish. I would still QT it myself.

 

[Mrscribbled]

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As far as I am concerned , I did pay Almost double, a Midas blenny in my area goes for 24. 00 American, not 45. 00 so I do believe I paid for a quality fish and the online vendor in question agreed with me. I did my homework before and after the order was placed.


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African Midas blennies usually retail 50 plus dollars, therefore you didn't pay any extra. Indos are 25.


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[krzyphsygy]

That's right, I'm sorry you living in Minnesota and me living in Florida tells me that you know what I pay for fish at my lfs. Unbelievable, freakin flame session

 

[krzyphsygy]

I have no idea who you're dealing with, therefor I was not pointing fingers to any particular vendor... I do stand by my general information in regards of the nature of the business of fish supplier in "general" as most will try to flip their stock " the sooner the better".

I'm a bit confuse, one moment you saying they sent you fish with ich and the next your saying not? Well I guess base on your information if the fish supplier had properly QT the fish then I guess the problem is on your side.

IMO it's pointless to take anyone's word if they say they've QT it, with thousands of dollars on the line; even if Gandhi told me he QT the fish. I would still QT it myself.

You are confused, lets just end this thread. Who cares anyway? Mods please close.

 

[Painted skin]

You are confused, lets just end this thread. Who cares anyway? Mods please close.

Wow no one here was attacking you!

You're right "Who cares anyways", I sure don't not my problem. Have fun with it!

 

[Sk8r]

I think the issue has now been discussed into the ditch and further discussion will not be productive down that road. How about the fish? Are you needing help with methodology and treatment, or shall we end this thread?

 

[wooden_reefer]

To me, ich is a defeated foe.

I think the best QT procedure to eradicate ich has some feature of aging wine.

It takes some preparation then a lot of time, 12 or more weeks for me, of doing very little.

One cannot economically age wine in a store selling wine, so one cannot economically QT fish to eradicate ich in any commercial setting.

If I run an online store, I could QT to eradicate ich if my rent is very low, like doing at home in a large shed, but I must be rewarded by higher prices. And by necessity, I must also be rewarded to very loyal customers who buy only from me, otherwise I will not be able to give any guarantee.

QT is commercially very difficult do achieve.

 

[wooden_reefer]

QT to eradicate ich has to be considered labor of love. Cannot be avoided.

All in a tank could be killed by the process of adding the last. Remember this, and that a tank is a pathogenically and chemically closed system.

QT is more and more critical as one approaches finishing stocking of the DT, especailly when there are numerous and already more grown and bigger livestock.

Can you really trust anyone else to do it for you? For me, the answer is NO NO NO.

 

[krzyphsygy]

I think the issue has now been discussed into the ditch and further discussion will not be productive down that road. How about the fish? Are you needing help with methodology and treatment, or shall we end this thread?

Its sad that there are people on this forum that only use information given as a way to just disagree with what ever is being said . Even when facts are stated. These are only a select few, and not the standard. Thank you to everyone who actually contributed something to my situation.



Thank you SK8r, please close.