Ich, uv filter, garlic and seaweed

[ThisCityIsDead]

I have two new tangs. A purple and a blue. I've had them in a hstatement tank for 7 days now. They eat a lot of seaweed and pellets here and there.

They both of course have ich.

I have been reading on others' experience with ich and not being able to place their tang/fish in a hospital tank.

Most of them who had success had the following done.

Fed their fish seaweed and have the seaweed soaked with garlic.
Have a uv filter.
Fed the fish plenty of food to keep their immune up.
Used ich away.

I've been doing it all except the ich away.

Does the uv really work?

What else can I do? They go through 2 sheets of seaweed a day.

 

[snorvich]

I have two new tangs. A purple and a blue. I've had them in a hstatement tank for 7 days now. They eat a lot of seaweed and pellets here and there.

They both of course have ich.

I have been reading on others' experience with ich and not being able to place their tang/fish in a hospital tank.

Most of them who had success had the following done.

Fed their fish seaweed and have the seaweed soaked with garlic.
Have a uv filter.
Fed the fish plenty of food to keep their immune up.
Used ich away.

I've been doing it all except the ich away.

Does the uv really work?

What else can I do? They go through 2 sheets of seaweed a day.

Unfortunately, garlic, seaweed, and UV will have no real effect on ich. If you want to really address the problem, please read the stickies at the top of this forum.

 

[Kidd Reef]

Gotta take them out, Treat them for ich with Either TTM or copper, and leave your display tank without fish for 72 days, Only way to truly get them out. Yes ich and, garlic, Proper diet and low stress will make the symptoms go away. But the ich is still there and will rear its head when your fished get stressed(Parameter swings, New additions etc.)

I highly recommend reading the Stickies in the fish disease section on ich and decide what kind of treatment you want to go with. i know it sucks but if you actually want to eliminate the parasite this is what needs to be done.

Would also reccomend you Set up a Quarantine tank and quarantine all new addtions(or anything wet really.) from now on. for at least 6-10 weeks for fish and 72 days for inverts.

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

Gotta take them out, Treat them for ich with Either TTM or copper, and leave your display tank without fish for 72 days, Only way to truly get them out. Yes ich and, garlic, Proper diet and low stress will make the symptoms go away. But the ich is still there and will rear its head when your fished get stressed(Parameter swings, New additions etc.)

I highly recommend reading the Stickies in the fish disease section on ich and decide what kind of treatment you want to go with. i know it sucks but if you actually want to eliminate the parasite this is what needs to be done.

Would also reccomend you Set up a Quarantine tank and quarantine all new addtions(or anything wet really.) from now on. for at least 6-10 weeks for fish and 72 days for inverts.

So even if my fish survive for say 2 months... Does that mean the ich do not die? I thought the ich needed a host. Yes, the fish are in the aquarium, but can't they become immune to the parasite if their body fight it?

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

I read the stickies. I understand that all of the FAQ on there are evidence based... But they do not answer my questions. Sometimes experience should also be taken for granted. Like I said, the other cases I read, the hobbyist's fish survived and some even had them going on for a year or so, I'm not sure what happened after since they completely disappeared from the forum, so I'm not sure if the method worked or the fish just got lucky...?

 

[1fstnsx]

My Chevron had ICH at one point, ate like a horse ..seaweed, everything...it got better and ich symptoms went away. 2 weeks later ICH came back with my Achilles Tang and Chevron. Took both of them out in 2 days and was a HUGE outbreak.

I did exactly what you did; garlic, uv...and thought they would be fine.

Imo, QT them now. It will save you alot of money and headache. Just from my experience. Good Luck.

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

My Chevron had ICH at one point, ate like a horse ..seaweed, everything...it got better and ich symptoms went away. 2 weeks later ICH came back with my Achilles Tang and Chevron. Took both of them out in 2 days and was a HUGE outbreak.

I did exactly what you did; garlic, uv...and thought they would be fine.

Imo, QT them now. It will save you alot of money and headache. Just from my experience. Good Luck.

Thanks. Did you add a new fish? I need to buy some time to get the proper equipment.

Will a 10G aquarium work for a hospital tank...?

Do I need lighting (5T system)

Do I need a dump?

All I have is a 10g tank, a cheap heater (the Walmart ones that I used for my beta) and LED lights that came with the 10G.

 

[Kidd Reef]

I read the stickies. I understand that all of the FAQ on there are evidence based... But they do not answer my questions. Sometimes experience should also be taken for granted. Like I said, the other cases I read, the hobbyist's fish survived and some even had them going on for a year or so, I'm not sure what happened after since they completely disappeared from the forum, so I'm not sure if the method worked or the fish just got lucky...?

Like i said given good diet, Low stress and generally good environment a fish can survive and have no symptoms of ich, while still harboring the parasite(For how long however i do not know, alot of people can keep it up for awhile but usually have an outbreak when something big happens like a power outage) The fish are just healthy enough to fight it back to a point where you don't see anything wrong with them. Infact if you look into there are a few people who's fish were entirely fine for years thereon out, but any new fish added would quickly be overwhelmed and die within a ew does covered in ich. Fish can develop an immunity to ich but they can also lose it. If you feel you want to try the "all natural" method of garlic, low stress and uv, By all means do so. I however advise treating them to prevent any future complications and for general ease of mind.

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

Like i said given good diet, Low stress and generally good environment a fish can survive and have no symptoms of ich, while still harboring the parasite(For how long however i do not know, alot of people can keep it up for awhile but usually have an outbreak when something big happens like a power outage) The fish are just healthy enough to fight it back to a point where you don't see anything wrong with them. Infact if you look into there are a few people who's fish were entirely fine for years thereon out, but any new fish added would quickly be overwhelmed and die within a ew does covered in ich. Fish can develop an immunity to ich but they can also lose it. If you feel you want to try the "all natural" method of garlic, low stress and uv, By all means do so. I however advise treating them to prevent any future complications and for general ease of mind.

I'm going to QT. However, how certain is it that they won't get it back after the QT is done?:/.

 

[Kidd Reef]

I'm going to QT. However, how certain is it that they won't get it back after the QT is done?:/.

Treat them with either cupramine, or TTM. and then leave the display tank without fish for 72 days(corals and inverts can stay.) And QT and proactively treat all new additions from now on. Would recommend Doing TTM followed by 2 rounds of prazi pro and few more weeks of observation.(many people recommend 6-10 weeks of total Quarantine.)

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

But won't the tangs just get ich once they're put back into the display? The tangs didn't have ich at the LFS. Got it when they were transferred to my tank. Endless cycle

 

[TitanCi]

Ich, uv filter, garlic and seaweed

Either UR tank has ich before the addition (and does now anyhow), or the LFS ran some low level, non therapeutic levels of copper which mask signs of ich and symptoms the fish display. A few of the local fish stores here do, and the ones who don't, here, have dead fish.

If you run your tank fallow for 72 days, ich should be gone.

My luck, I bought some from a store who doesn't.

 

[Kidd Reef]

Either UR tank has ich before the addition (and does now anyhow), or the LFS ran some low level, non therapeutic levels of copper which mask signs of ich and symptoms the fish display. A few of the local fish stores here do, and the ones who don't, here, have dead fish.

If you run your tank fallow for 72 days, ich should be gone.

My luck, I bought some from a store who doesn't.

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Properly quarantining and proactively treating your fish before introducing into the DT from now on would prevent further introduction of disease. The 72 days of no fish will eliminate the ich in the DT.

 

[ThisCityIsDead]

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Properly quarantining and proactively treating your fish before introducing into the DT from now on would prevent further introduction of disease. The 72 days of no fish will eliminate the ich in the DT.

I'm purchasing a 20G tank from petco since they have the 1$ G sale. Also, will use copper to treat them. Catching the fish is going to be fun...

Do these fish need to be acclimated to the QT tank?

 

[Paul B]

Unfortunately, garlic, seaweed, and UV will have no real effect on ich.

Hey Steve, at least we can agree on this. :beer:

 

[Spar]

I'm purchasing a 20G tank from petco since they have the 1$ G sale. Also, will use copper to treat them. Catching the fish is going to be fun...

Do these fish need to be acclimated to the QT tank?

if you are using DT water, then no, they can just be dumped right over. if new mixed water, yes, but just do the bag method. float them for 10 minutes, add some water from your QT, wait another 10 minutes, then transfer them over. i.e. don't do the drip method.