Inklinkerman
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My newly introduced copperband has what looks like classic ich. unfortunatly I do not have QT facilities. Is there anything that can be done? Display tank includes Live rock, inverts, softies and lps.
Ich with no QT tank
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Reef safe treatment?
Reef safe treatment?
I stumbled accross this stuff, Has anyone ever used this? This is the write up on it:
"No-ICH Marine
Scientifically formulated Reef-Safe water treatment for Cryptocaryon irritans (marine "œwhite spot") and Ichthyopthirius multifiliis (freshwater ich). Engineered to attack the infectious free swimming stage of the ich life cycle and rid the aquarium of these harmful parasites. No-Ich is safe for all fish, invertebrates, corals, plants and biological filtration systems. 100% copper and malachite free solution. One liter treats up to 100 gallons. Self-Dosing bottle makes measuring and application simple and easy."
Reef safe treatment?
I stumbled accross this stuff, Has anyone ever used this? This is the write up on it:
"No-ICH Marine
Scientifically formulated Reef-Safe water treatment for Cryptocaryon irritans (marine "œwhite spot") and Ichthyopthirius multifiliis (freshwater ich). Engineered to attack the infectious free swimming stage of the ich life cycle and rid the aquarium of these harmful parasites. No-Ich is safe for all fish, invertebrates, corals, plants and biological filtration systems. 100% copper and malachite free solution. One liter treats up to 100 gallons. Self-Dosing bottle makes measuring and application simple and easy."
Inklinkerman
Member
Is it possible the copperband will settle down and fight off the infection with better water and nutrition than it had in the lfs? After all the ich protazoan is supossedly present all the time, but only manifests when there is another problem, ie water, nutrition etc. I've never had any problem before that wasn't fixed by good husbandry. Plus most of my fish came from the same lfs, so ich was probably present in the water but has never shown itself. I'm going to try more frequent water changes, increase cleaning to remove any substrate bourne cysts and prayer. I've heard hyposalinity ( about 1.015-1.02) could help by resting the fish but how would this effect the corals and inverts?
Inklinkerman
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RegalAngel
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http://www.fishvet.com/no-ich.htm
http://www.fishvet.com/no-ich_faqs.htm
It will work, BUT becomes very expensive for a large tank since you will need to add almost daily to maintain the required strength.
When they don't/won't list active ingredients, you have to do a little sleuthing. In this case, the literature says it will kill parasitic copepods but not kill "other invertebrates". Neat trick that, since copepods and shrimp are killed by the same drugs at the same doses! I'm not sure what this product contains....the volume of the liquid implies something that is difficult to concentrate (else they would use smaller bottles) so that leaves out many "reef safe" drugs, the antimalarials, etc. I've heard of people treating Cryptocaryon with "probiotics" and such - maybe that is what it is?
IMO - Krowley gave the only real solution for this case.....
Jay
IMO - Krowley gave the only real solution for this case.....
Jay
reefoctopus
New member
i am in the same boat. i have a blue tang thats badly covered by ich. i have not done any treatment yet. tang has became fat since i got it. It is still coninuesly eating well but keeps on rubbing against the rocks.
I have a spare 100 gal tank but that's huge for a qt. im cossing fingers the fish becomes immune to it. it's a fowlr btw.
I have a spare 100 gal tank but that's huge for a qt. im cossing fingers the fish becomes immune to it. it's a fowlr btw.
RegalAngel
Member
RE: No-Ich
The Active Ingredient: 5-Nitroimidazoles
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/index.php
"Treatment Option 8: 5-Nitroimidazoles
There is another class of products on the market that are alleged to be a reef-safe, alternative, anti-parasitic medication for Cryptocaryon irritans. The active ingredient of this category of treatments is 5-Nitroimidazoles. I have only used this type of product a few times, but never in a reef tank, so I cannot speak to those claims. I found these to be moderately successful against Cryptocaryon, although it required twice as many applications as the manufacturer stated on the instructions to affect a complete cure. My biggest complaint is how expensive it was, in particular accounting for the amount and time needed to affect a full cure. Anyone who wishes to try one of these products should perform a search on several of the online message boards to get additional feedback prior to purchasing. Based on my own experience alone, I cannot recommend them."
ie If used at the proper strength as recommended by the manufacturer it will kill Ich.
The Active Ingredient: 5-Nitroimidazoles
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/index.php
"Treatment Option 8: 5-Nitroimidazoles
There is another class of products on the market that are alleged to be a reef-safe, alternative, anti-parasitic medication for Cryptocaryon irritans. The active ingredient of this category of treatments is 5-Nitroimidazoles. I have only used this type of product a few times, but never in a reef tank, so I cannot speak to those claims. I found these to be moderately successful against Cryptocaryon, although it required twice as many applications as the manufacturer stated on the instructions to affect a complete cure. My biggest complaint is how expensive it was, in particular accounting for the amount and time needed to affect a full cure. Anyone who wishes to try one of these products should perform a search on several of the online message boards to get additional feedback prior to purchasing. Based on my own experience alone, I cannot recommend them."
ie If used at the proper strength as recommended by the manufacturer it will kill Ich.
LawmanRob
SPS Addict
This is a pic of what I woke up to this morning, I did a fresh water dip on one clown yesterday and my flameback, but the clowns didn't make it. On the good side, I don't see any spots on the Angel. My six line is shadowing her and lightly nipping her, I hope the sixline is keeping any new parasites from attaching. I also didn't know that mushrooms would eat like this guess this is a good learning lesson.
I think any cure is going to be expensive. If its not the medication the person chooses, then its the added cost of running a second tank (QT). It all adds up. We all signed on for this, so cost aside, still quarantining seems to be the best and safest method to treat the infected and allow for die off in the DT.
I also heard of people putting a penney in there QT tank. it was a gradual release of copper and killed the parasite. Were going back now. Thats old school! Back when people had to walk 10 miles in all kinds of weather to get to the fish store....LOL :lolspin:
I also heard of people putting a penney in there QT tank. it was a gradual release of copper and killed the parasite. Were going back now. Thats old school! Back when people had to walk 10 miles in all kinds of weather to get to the fish store....LOL :lolspin:
RegalAngel
Member
Great!
It has the same active ingredient as No-Ich:
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=46371&postcount=4
Inklinkerman
Member
Might be worth a try, if I can find it in the UK. Thanks.
dr.sinister
New member
I have just had the same problem, first the tang then the anthias, then the clowns. At first I treated with some very good reef safe med Proto marin coral, however this medication works well if you catch the ich in the very early stages. Also if overdose occurs any crabs or shrimp will die first. The problem is that you have to turn off the skimmer. I also tried stop ich and I think that stuff is junk. I finally bought a qt the tang(Achilles) was on her last legs(fins). It cost alot of money but it will be worth it if it safes the lifestock.
Also did you think of asking the store you purchased the fish in if they can take it and treat it? Often they have a qt in the back. Mine offered but we had already got the qt.
Also did you think of asking the store you purchased the fish in if they can take it and treat it? Often they have a qt in the back. Mine offered but we had already got the qt.
Inklinkerman
Member
I thought of that, after all I spend enough there! But I figured that ich was in there and so it was too late. So far no other fish are affected and the CBB is feeding well and swimming fine and looks like it has less spots and non on the body(maybe 10 in total). I did a 20% water change yesterday and I'm hoping for the best.
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