jusbechillin
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I was told that every tank has ich in it its just a matter of keeping it under control.... is this true? I hope not
Ich!!!!!
- Thread starter JurisHP
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yes but as long as your water params are within good measurees and you maintain sytem cleanly and properly your fish should not be bothered by it usually aquarist are the cause of common ick outbreaks from variouse things that we try to do like for example having your hands in the system stresses fish out like you wouldnt believe adding new species that are not comapable with each other is another very common stress factor but there is a whole list you get the idea
e55MD
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jusbechillin,
Whether every tank has ich or not seems to be a very controversial topic for some reason. My understanding is that cryptocaryon is a parasite that will die out if it has no host. If you never introduce it or you eliminate it from your tank by running it fallow for a period of 8 weeks it should be gone forever. The trick is to make sure that it is never added back via infected fish (even asyptommatic carriers), live rock, contaminated equipment etc. That is why so many people advocate qt of all new specimens.
Whether every tank has ich or not seems to be a very controversial topic for some reason. My understanding is that cryptocaryon is a parasite that will die out if it has no host. If you never introduce it or you eliminate it from your tank by running it fallow for a period of 8 weeks it should be gone forever. The trick is to make sure that it is never added back via infected fish (even asyptommatic carriers), live rock, contaminated equipment etc. That is why so many people advocate qt of all new specimens.
jusbechillin
In Memoriam
This is what I understood from reading as well. I will quickly learn to be patient
PreacherMan607
New member
Has anyone tried any of the other so called "Reef Safe" methods of treating ICH. Such as Kick Ich, or Clear Ich or Kordon Ich Attack? Or any others that may have been used?
paulamrein
New member
I have personally never used any "reefsafe" meds. Only because I read all the threads saying it doesn't work. It's my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of people on this board that if a med is to be effective, by nature it has to kill. And the meds that do work only work because they kill the parasite quicker than it kills the fish. That is why it must be used in a QT tank separate from inverts. There are very few hard line "musts" in this hobby, This, though widely debated is one of those issues that in order to be effective, it MUST be done the proven way. To date, obviously, even the "musts" are subject to be improved on. There are improvements made on the hobby everyday. By those that are looking for a better way, which it should be. I'm not saying that I'll never try a med that is "reef safe" I just don't want to be in the minority when doing it. I reserve experiments to those who are willing to take the risk of breaking some eggs. I've got too much invested, money and time to try something new.
JurisHP
Member
I started this post a few weeks ago, and I am still not having ANY luck whatsoever with my Ich problem. The Hippo is the only fish in the tank that has it. The others are very healthy and getting bigger, with no signs of Ich whatsoever. Interestingly, in the morning, the Tang is totally covered. By the end of the day, it looks like it is gone, but is right back the next morning. I have tried Kick Ich-no effect whatsoever. I do regular water changes, and the levels are exactly where they should be. The temp is around 79-80. Although the Ich has been on the Hippo for a while now, he is still swimming freely, gets defensive when necessary, and eats every time I feed. he does not hide and has no signs of weakness. I have also tried treating the food with garlic. Any suggestions? Can this go on forever? I cannot remove him from my tank----it's 180 gallons with 275# LR.
PreacherMan607
New member
Thanks guys...I just added a Blonde Naso Tank to my 180 gallon. All was well until I noticed a few white spots on him/her. No major out break yet but I feel it is coming. I have never had any luck period with treating fish that have ich. If I removed them from the tank the stress of the move coupled with what they already gone through...and adding copper to the water killed them. Some day I believe a tested, tried and true method will be developed. Until then keep the faith!
kinlayan
New member
Juris the hippo tang is more susceptible to whitespot than your other fish and therefore is the best indicator, that it is present in your aquarium, some fish may carry a low infection of it or have partial or even full immmunity to it and therefore look 100% fine
if the tang is eating and behaving normally, i would suggest giving his immune system all the help it can get good water, vitamins in food and beta glucan added as well.
in my thread below i asked about cholroquine phosphate added in food in reef tanks, i have heard results have been succesful in curing ich but im not sure what exact protocol was followed as it is a toxic substance to photosynthetic invertebrates and is used in control of human malaria (Aralen is trade name) This may help but one would have to know how to adminster it correctly in the food.
White spot is really a nasty disease but it is mainly so in our captive aquariums and really hardly ever kills fish in the wild were it usually exists in a sort of peaceful co-existence with its host, anything that can reduce its numbers in your aquarium would also help sterilizers such as UV, ozone and even cold sterilization using micron filtration .
I have kept fish alive 9-15 years in ich infested aquariums by just keeping water quality good and working to reduce the numbers of the parasites.
It really would be great though if a vaccine was made that worked that could be developed and used especially in our hobby, so may fish would be saved and so much money normally wasted on ineffective and toxic medicines
if the tang is eating and behaving normally, i would suggest giving his immune system all the help it can get good water, vitamins in food and beta glucan added as well.
in my thread below i asked about cholroquine phosphate added in food in reef tanks, i have heard results have been succesful in curing ich but im not sure what exact protocol was followed as it is a toxic substance to photosynthetic invertebrates and is used in control of human malaria (Aralen is trade name) This may help but one would have to know how to adminster it correctly in the food.
White spot is really a nasty disease but it is mainly so in our captive aquariums and really hardly ever kills fish in the wild were it usually exists in a sort of peaceful co-existence with its host, anything that can reduce its numbers in your aquarium would also help sterilizers such as UV, ozone and even cold sterilization using micron filtration .
I have kept fish alive 9-15 years in ich infested aquariums by just keeping water quality good and working to reduce the numbers of the parasites.
It really would be great though if a vaccine was made that worked that could be developed and used especially in our hobby, so may fish would be saved and so much money normally wasted on ineffective and toxic medicines
scuzy
Active member
yeah i lost all my tang over the weekend cause i wanted to treat this ick infestation. Took all my fish out of the display and put inot QT . Dose cupramine and by next day all the fish in the qt with cupramine has died except for the sohal. I quickly moved him out of the copper tank nad into another qt. He's come back to live after laying on his back most hte night but now he's all free swimming and happy again. I don't think i would dose copper anymore.
i tested copper using the seachem copper test kit and used cupramine but guess it's still too harsh on them.
i tested copper using the seachem copper test kit and used cupramine but guess it's still too harsh on them.
OliverM3
New member
5 weeks later and all is well with no fish loss and no treatment.
The tangs were hit the hardest almost covered with dots on the first and third week and the hippo's eyes started to cloud.
But just keeping them well fed and the water quality good and everyone is fine.
I did loose the two cleaner wrasses though they just didn't ship well and died a day or two after shipping.
The only changes I made besides the wrasses were adding a U/V sterilizer to the sump and feeding nori daily instead of twice a week like I did in the past.
The tangs were hit the hardest almost covered with dots on the first and third week and the hippo's eyes started to cloud.
But just keeping them well fed and the water quality good and everyone is fine.
I did loose the two cleaner wrasses though they just didn't ship well and died a day or two after shipping.
The only changes I made besides the wrasses were adding a U/V sterilizer to the sump and feeding nori daily instead of twice a week like I did in the past.
I just let nature take it's course with my hippo, I foolishly added a hippo a few months after adding my powder blue, the powder blue harrassed the hippo to the point he became covered in ich, eyes became swollen & so cloudy I thought he was going blind, here is whats crazy, he slowly started to get better once the powder blue laid off, he completely cleared up, they get along okay now but 10 months later no more ich issues, the system is sps dominated, a couple of cleaner shrinp, and a neon goby who loves to clean....maybe natures way is best & he will build up a nice immunity as did my powder blue.
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