identify this nudibranch

[returnofsid]

Corals are a combination of animal AND plant. Carnivore implies "Meat" eater. My credibility is just fine. I'm not at all concerned about my credibility. Do we know, without a doubt, that when a Nudibranch is munching on a coral, that it's not after the PLANT portion? No, we don't know that. That's because not enough is known about Nudibranchs yet. Hence, without enough information, blanket statements of "All Nudibranchs are predatory" shouldn't be made.

I believe my statement, I stand behind my statement and until it's proven to me that ALL Nudibranchs are meat eaters, I'll continue to stand behind my statement. I don't think this can be proven until much more information is known about Nudibranchs and the possible millions of species that exist.

Aside from that, I think that we can both at least agree that our debate is doing nothing to further the cause of this thread, so I'm done. You can think what you want of my credibility.

 

[Letmegrow]

You are so wrong, they are NOT a combination of Animal and plant.

We hosue bacteria and microbes, does that make us a Combination of Animal and Bacteria ?!

No !

Zooxanthellae - the so called "Plant part" in corals is also found in Nudibranchs, Jellyfish, and Clams.

Are you calling Nudibranchs, Jellyfish, and Clams Animal/plants too ?

Zooxanthellae is an Endosymbiont.
Which means one organism lives INSIDE the other organism.

Not that the 2 organisms are 1 organisms because they are so close and the same thing. It is two DISTINCT parts.

You HAVE to fallow this thread through because you are seriously misinformed. Please learn.

 

[Letmegrow]

And YES !!! We know with out a doubt that a Nudi is eating the coral flesh (the actual meat).

It just so happens with in that meat the zooxanthellae resides.

A Luttuce Slug eats algae and stores the chloroplasts inside it's skin to later photosynthesis foods for it's self. That does not make that a Animal/Plant. It's just still an Animal with a brilliant exploit.

 

[returnofsid]

zooanthellae

single-cell dinoflagellate (golden-brown) algae living symbiotically within the cells of some cnidarians (members of phylum Cnidaria or Coelenterata; includes radially symmetrical ocean animals such as sea anemones, corals, hydroids, and jellyfish)

Algae, not bacteria or microbes. It is an Algae, and is the photosynthetic portion of whatever it resides in, be it coral, clam, anemone etc. In fact, some Nudibranchs are known to change colors to resemble what they eat, as in Zoanthids. This would lead me to believe that they are mainly ingesting the zooanthellae more than the actual tissue. This would also lead me to believe that these types of Nudibranchs are more of an zooanthellae eater than a coral eater. This would further lead me to believe that they are herbivores, since zooanthellae is an ALGAE.

 

[Letmegrow]

PLUS!!!!

Zooxanthellae are dinoflagellates which are Protists which are NOT Plants !!!!!

So there is ABSOLUTELY NO plant "part" of a coral.
100% animal with some Symbiotic Protist living in it.

 

[Letmegrow]

You can't take a bite out of a coral and not ingest flesh and zooxan.

They would have to suck it out.

There are free floating zooxan and algae in the ocean that would be MUCH easier to eat, why would a nudi choose to eat a coral ?

FOR THE PROTEIN, BECAUSE THEY ARE PREDATORY CARNIVORES.
All your statements and answers and questions will lead you back to:

ALL NUDIBRANCHS ARE CARNIVOROUS PREDATORS.


I have to go to work now, I can wait to get home to this thread, learning is fun. Or should be.

 

[returnofsid]

Uggghhh, Letmegrow, educate yourself please. Here's a couple of links to get started with. Zooanthellae is a single celled ALGAE. Not sure where you're going with "Lettuce Slugs," they aren't Nudibranchs.

http://www.seaslugforum.net/factsheet.cfm?base=zoox1
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/kits/corals/coral02_zooxanthellae.html

 

[Letmegrow]

I know the Lettuce Slugs aren't Nudis you didn't read a word I wrote.
I did not say they were nudis at ANY point.
I was illustrating the point that you can't call a coral a plant and an animal at the same time, because they are not. Just because something has "plant like qualities" does not mean it's a plant.

You obviously can't read so how can I expect you to comprehend.

Your link from NOAA is the dumbed down version AND the seaslugforum called them plants.
So what are they Plants or Algae ??
Because they are not the same thing.

SORRY but Zooxanthellae are not Plants or Algae THEY ARE DINOFLAGELLATES = PROTIST.

Domain: Eukaryota

Kingdom: Chromalveolata

Superphylum: Alveolata

Phylum: Dinoflagellata

Genus: Symbiodinium

Where do you see Algae or Plant in there ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooxanthellae

 

[returnofsid]

Oh so you wanna go with Wikipedia instead huh? An online "encyclopedia" that can say whatever people post. Talk about accurate.

You keep saying "Protist." The term Protist does not rule out Animal or Plant. Protists can be Animal, Plant or Fungi. Oh and by the way "Protist" is no longer even recognized as an accurate Kingdom in modern taxonomy.
Since you seem to like Wikipedia so much, here ya go. By the way, got this from the link you provided. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protist

 

[Letmegrow]

Plant - like.
Animal - like.

They are not plants nor animals.

 

[returnofsid]

As far as Algae not being a true Plant, do we call Tangs that graze on Algae carnivores or herbivores? Just because algae isn't a true plant doesn't mean that something which eats algae isn't considered a herbivore.

And again, with the Wikipedia, your research site of choice. Dinos as Algae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinoflagellata

 

[Letmegrow]

By your logic they are carnivores because of all the pods that they eat while grazing on algae.

It's better to leave you in the dark.
Toodles.

 

[returnofsid]

Yep, corals don't contain any algae...it's all animal matter...NOT. Once again, from your own Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral

Now, as I tried to do awhile back, and got pulled back into this childish debate, I'm done. We're both done our part to ruin this thread and to the original poster, I deeply apologize for our childishness actions.

 

[rhoptowit]

freakin drama

 

[Tayler]

lol why are you guys arguing about something so pointless

 

[snorvich]

+1 In any case, perhaps PM would be better?

 

[returnofsid]

Drama ended 2 days ago and I apologize it even happened to begin with.

 

[cable guy 805]

Anyways if you dont get to the eggs you will have a real uphill battle. I had to remove all but 1 monti and quarentine, and frag the dead it seems to only feed on certain montis and only underneath. They are easily killed with a stong iodine dip and a toothpick. I find that a toothbrush works good to scrape away the eggs. But unless you can access the undersides of all of your montis in your aquaium you probably will have a a tough time ahead.