Is 0.35mg/l cupramine concentration sufficient to kill ich?

[Mightyfish]

Thanks to dishonest LFS i bought a kole tang that came with ich parasites. Because of that i assume my QT have been infected and so is the other flame angel i have been keeping in QT. I have started cupramine treatment and currently concentration is 0.35mg/l. I am concerned that angel may not be able to handle higher dosage so i am hesitated to increase the dosage. Both fish appear fine and eating well and very active. Is 0.35mg/l for 30 days treatment a sufficient dosage to kill ich parasites?

 

[tylersarah]

.35mg/l is the minimum effective dosage for Cupramine, you get my approval. The dosage on the bottle is too high and too harsh imo and the positive side to this is the fish are in QT, not your reef!

 

[caribfan]

I think you'll be fine at 0.35. I recently treated a Red Sea Regal for 30 days and was actually at 0.50 mg/l for a large part of it. I agree with Sarah, I don't think 0.50 is required though.

 

[Mightyfish]

Thanks guys. I might push the boundary just a little and raise it by extra couple 0.02 mg/l.

 

[Spar]

.5 is nice as it gives you a generous buffer for when copper might sink lower for whatever reason.

if it drops to even .34 you could be in trouble.

Seachem claims that fish are ok up to .8ppm, but maybe not over 4 weeks. plenty of people keep their fish at .5ppm for 4 weeks on the forum.

edit... and I didn't read your OP post enough. agreed, Angel's are quite sensitive and you should be cautious at .5ppm. maybe do .4ppm?

 

[caribfan]

Thanks guys. I might push the boundary just a little and raise it by extra couple 0.02 mg/l.

How are you able to measure to that sensitivity ? I struggled initially to tell the difference between .3 and. .5 using the seachem test kit.

 

[Mightyfish]

How are you able to measure to that sensitivity ? I struggled initially to tell the difference between .3 and. .5 using the seachem test kit.

I used Red Sea copper test kit. It has 0.35 scale.

 

[Chief Reef]

"Cupramine eradicates Oodinium and Ich at 0.1–0.2mg/L, Cryptocaryon at 0.25–0.35 mg/L, Trematodes and other parasites at 0.4–0.5 mg/L. With a 10–14 day exposure at 0.4 mg/L most infestations will be eradicated and secondary bacterial and fungal infections will be controlled."

Straight from the horses mouth.

 

[caribfan]

Who is said horse? What is the difference between ich and crypto?

 

[Chief Reef]

Who is said horse? What is the difference between ich and crypto?

its from seachems website, id have posted the link itself but im not familiar with the rules on this forum.

 

[Spar]

if you call Seachem they will say something different though. i am pretty sure on the label they are siding with precaution rather than what is best practiced.

crypto is the saltwater version of Ich. "Ich" is the freshwater version of Ich. the term has just been adopted to describe the white-spot parasite for both fresh and salt.

 

[snorvich]

"Cupramine eradicates Oodinium and Ich at 0.1"“0.2mg/L, Cryptocaryon at 0.25"“0.35 mg/L, Trematodes and other parasites at 0.4"“0.5 mg/L. With a 10"“14 day exposure at 0.4 mg/L most infestations will be eradicated and secondary bacterial and fungal infections will be controlled."

Straight from the horses mouth.

However, I suggest 30 days exposure.

 

[snorvich]

Who is said horse? What is the difference between ich and crypto?

Fresh water ich, more commonly known as white spot disease, is Ichthyophthirius multifiliis while salt water ich is cryptocaryon irritans. While they are similar, treatment is not the same and they have some characteristics that are different. For an extensive description of cryptocaryon irritans and its treatment, please read this sticky. If you are using seachem copper, I suggest using seachem test kits. Also, when using copper, it is best to raise the level over a couple of days rather than simply start at the therapeutic level.

 

[caribfan]

Fresh water ich, more commonly known as white spot disease, is Ichthyophthirius multifiliis while salt water ich is cryptocaryon irritans. While they are similar, treatment is not the same and they have some characteristics that are different. For an extensive description of cryptocaryon irritans and its treatment, please read this sticky. If you are using seachem copper, I suggest using seachem test kits. Also, when using copper, it is best to raise the level over a couple of days rather than simply start at the therapeutic level.

Right, my question was rhetorical.

I was merely trying to point out the fact that two different concentrations were being recommended to treat one disease that is often referred to under both names, Crypto (correctly) and ich (generically).

"Cupramine eradicates Oodinium and Ich at 0.1"“0.2mg/L, Cryptocaryon at 0.25"“0.35 mg/L, Trematodes and other parasites at 0.4"“0.5 mg/L. With a 10"“14 day exposure at 0.4 mg/L most infestations will be eradicated and secondary bacterial and fungal infections will be controlled."

Straight from the horses mouth.

 

[Chief Reef]

Right, my question was rhetorical.

I was merely trying to point out the fact that two different concentrations were being recommended to treat one disease that is often referred to under both names, Crypto (correctly) and ich (generically).

correct me if im wrong, but i believe its two different different concentrations because freshwater ich and marine ich are two different things (species?strains?), Dosage for freshwater treatment is half of what you'd do for marine treatment with a goal of 0.25ppm

they are referred to under the same name because people spread misinformation, Hence why people Still think You can just raise the temperature to speed up marine ich's lifecycle and burn it out, that only works for freshwater "ich"

 

[Chief Reef]

However, I suggest 30 days exposure.

yeah that slipped past me, Even on the FAQ on the website they recommend 3-4 weeks while stating 2 will treat most outbreaks.