Is this red planet?

The lineage thing has me scratching my head. Evolution happens over millions of years yet we're to believe that a few corals from ORA have evolved and grow faster because they have a certain lineage? :facepalm:

Please explain that and offer up some proof. Are there any studies to go along with this observation? I know I've been hearing this and reading it on the forums, but where is the science to back that up?

Lineage is just a way of selling or trading corals. It is just to make sure one knows the coral frags are all from the same mother colony, that's really it.

It doesn't mean it grows better or faster or is more hardy, some are, some are not. It just means it came from a specific mother colony.

Sometime the coral in question comes at a high price, sometimes not. It just depends on how abundant the supply and how high the demand for that specific coral is.

HTH
 
Lineage is just a way of selling or trading corals. It is just to make sure one knows the coral frags are all from the same mother colony, that's really it.

It doesn't mean it grows better or faster or is more hardy, some are, some are not. It just means it came from a specific mother colony.

Sometime the coral in question comes at a high price, sometimes not. It just depends on how abundant the supply and how high the demand for that specific coral is.

HTH
JB I agree 100%. It would be nice if that were true, but the growing faster, better, etc is really not proven. At least not to my knowledge.
 
JB I agree 100%. It would be nice if that were true, but the growing faster, better, etc is really not proven. At least not to my knowledge.

Depends, there are a bunch of torts that you can get: cali, Oregon, etc, some grow notoriously slow some grow pretty fast, so knowing which one you have can help you know how it will grow. It has nothing to do with ORA or the person cultivating it. Some corals are hardier and grow better than others.
 
The lineage thing has me scratching my head. Evolution happens over millions of years yet we're to believe that a few corals from ORA have evolved and grow faster because they have a certain lineage? :facepalm:

Please explain that and offer up some proof. Are there any studies to go along with this observation? I know I've been hearing this and reading it on the forums, but where is the science to back that up?

Who said anything about evolution? I have a few different red tables that appear to be the same species, and have grown several colonies over the years. Red planet consistently holds color and grows faster than the others I've owned/own. Many many others report red planet being a hardy and fast growing coral, if you want scientific proof for a belief that a coral with a "designed name" is hardy and grows fast I can't help you, nor can anyone else... I'm sure there are other red tables that are the same, but why bother when red planet is so cheap and easy to find from credible sources.
 
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Who said anything about evolution? I have a few different red tables that appear to be the same species, and have grown several colonies over the years. Red planet consistently holds color and grows faster than the others I've owned/own. Many many others report red planet being a hardy and fast growing coral, if you want scientific proof for a belief that a coral with a "designed name" is hardy and grows fast I can't help you, nor can anyone else... I'm sure there are other red tables that are the same, but why bother when red planet is so cheap and easy to find from credible sources.

You made a definitive statement that was rather defensive in nature. Now you admit to the fact there's no empirical data to support your statements; only anecdotal observations.

I think the hobby has gotten a bit crazy with the names which, many like myself feel, only adds to confusion and increases in costs of corals that are not special in terms of hardiness or their growth rate. It's a known and scientifically proven fact that any coral will grow and color differently in different tanks with different lighting and different parameters such as flow, etc.

These "special" corals aren't new species. They aren't patentable. So someone wants to call their coral Red Planet. There's no way to prove otherwise and our corals don't come with papers showing lineage or DNA. Caveat emptor, if one plans on buying a "special" coral at an inflated price.
 
The way I thought it went with sps in general ( guess to some I'm wrong) is if it looks like a red Planet ( insert any acro here) to an exact specimen, it's in fact a red Planet at the hobby level. What you put in front of the red planet is the lineage aspect of it "Ora red planet" vs just red planet. If you are referring to a coral you have for sale as ORA red planet and it's not that's shady, but if your selling an exact specimen to the prior and label it just "red planet" I for one feel that totally describes what is up for grabs, covers most of the care requirements and informs you what to expect of growth patterns and mature colony expectations etc.

I was just reading a post the other day explaining the naming of zoanthids nowadays and it follows suit to what I thought. . I for one know what sps are lineaged in my tank and what are not and am truthful if/when it comes to trading hands. Just my opinion though.

Here's the post on the zoanthids name game.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2480571
 
You made a definitive statement that was rather defensive in nature. Now you admit to the fact there's no empirical data to support your statements; only anecdotal observations.

I think the hobby has gotten a bit crazy with the names which, many like myself feel, only adds to confusion and increases in costs of corals that are not special in terms of hardiness or their growth rate. It's a known and scientifically proven fact that any coral will grow and color differently in different tanks with different lighting and different parameters such as flow, etc.

These "special" corals aren't new species. They aren't patentable. So someone wants to call their coral Red Planet. There's no way to prove otherwise and our corals don't come with papers showing lineage or DNA. Caveat emptor, if one plans on buying a "special" coral at an inflated price.

You're taking this all so seriously... I never claimed that there was "empiracal" or "definitive" data in the first place, nor am I making any big scientific claims.

The hobby has gotten a little crazy with names, and the only useful thing about it in my opinion is if you have lineage to a certain mother colony and some trust in the source you're buying corals from, you can actually have a decent idea of how a coral grows and what type of colors it's capable of in other people's tanks. Are there papers, or lineage, or patents, or is anyone going to spend money on DNA testing, no. But neither are there for fish of different strains, and at some point you have to decide if you trust your eyes and the source/breeder.

If someone takes a coral and slaps the name of a well know coral on it because they think it looks like the named coral, then it takes away the only useful part of all these stupid names. For instance, if I told someone that I had Red Dragon for sale, most people would know exactly what I'm talking about and have some good ideas on growth form, growth rate color, and possible coloration. If I just took any old A. carduus, maybe one that tends to grow slower or has different colors, and called it Red Dragon it takes away any usefulness of the naming thing in the first place. If you need scientific data fort what I just said, you're missing the whole point of the argument.

You can often find ORA red planet from hobbyists for around $15, so not sure what you're talking about as far as inflated prices go. That seems like a very fair price for such a beautiful coral that is known to be hardy and hold color well. The widespread distribution of this coral from ORA, along with the hardiness and fast growth have helped set the market price low. With all of these corals, once they've been available for a while, supply and demand will ultimately determine the price.
 
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