Is Xenia an efficient nutrient exporter?

Am thinking about have a xenia fuge, is it appropriate to use as a nutrient export?

Is it more efficient then macros i.e calupera, and cheato?

And does anyone know what nutrients they are able to remove, is it the same as macros (nitrate, phosphate) also is the 20:1 ratio the same?

Any suggestions/ comments thanks?
 
The Cheato will be much more efficient in terms of growth rate and needed light. A turf scrubber is also a great export tool. Xenia is neat and add diversity, if not a possibly a sink for different compounds. Anthony Calfo has posted on the subject a few times. Maybe he could shed some more light (no pun) on the subject.
 
Dr. Ron Shimek did a comparison of macro algae, protein skimming and xenia culture as methods of nutrient export. This was what he had to say.

"Aquarists often worry about the removal of nitrogen products from their systems, but it is clear that several of the export methods are fairly efficient at removing nitrogen compounds. On a per weight basis both skimmer sludge and Xenia export significant amounts of nitrogen, probably as protein in bacteria and tissue respectively. Comparisons utilizing carbohydrates are incomplete, but tend to indicate that Xenia was again the most efficient export of these materials.

Export efficiency may be measured in a couple of ways, however, and although on a per weight basis Xenia appears to be the best export mechanism, Caulerpa grows far faster in most tanks and it would accumulate a lot more of the needed export per unit time."

- Dr. Ron Shimek, from the article linked below.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-12/rs/feature/index.php
 
As I suspected... the "science" follows the common sense.

It just takes too much light to grow enough xenia to get the same biomass as with macro.
 
Thanks guys for the info i too had read that article by Shimek ' down the drain, exports from reef aquaria',

BeanAnimal even though xenia takes a little longer to grow, once reached the equvalent size to that of macro, wouldnt it then outperform macros in terms of nutrient export.

Just thinking out aloud here also, but does Xenia actually take longer than calupera to grow, im thinking (and i maybe wrong) but most people attempt to grow xenia in low nutrient water, whereas Calupera is often used in high nutrient waters, thus arising the possible assumption that caulpera grows faster.
 
No, nutrient export is just that "export" you need to remove biomass from the system to make room for the growth of the export medium. The macro simply will outgrow the xenia watt for watt. I have a xenia problem, but the macro still outgrows it :)
 
Bean, take into effect that you can SELL the exported Xenia, whereas chaeto is generally saturated in most markets, so while it may take more light, the total expense may actually be less.
 
Xenia doesn't replace macro algae as a form of export, it merely complements it. Other colonial polyps like clove polyps and anthellia would make a nice filtration section in your sump.

You need to measure the value of each constituent and size it accordingly. Spend as much resources (space & money) on each zone.

The benefit of xenia, is it can also work as a mechanical filter. You can use it in an area at the beginning of your sump, before the water reaches the refugium. Xenia also locks in it's catch, while macro algae leaks its' contents during the dark period of respiration.

This by no means lessens the value of macro-algae. They are both separate cogs on the same filtration machine. You just need to establish how big each cog needs to be for maximum efficiency.
 
Mr Wilson how does Xenia complement it? Are you only refferring to Xenias mechanical filtration possibilities? You meniton that they are different cogs on the same filtration machine?

From reading Shimek's article (above link) it appears that Xenia is able to absorb more Ammonia Nitrogen, but there is a huge variation (SSD), but with respect to this variation it could just mean that there was no or little Ammonia Nitrogen present at certain times limiting its export.

Both Macro (Caulerpa) and Xenia absorb Nitrate, Nitirite, & Ammonia. However little Nitrate, Nitirite is absorbed by Xenia, and Xenia has more potential to absorb ammonia, is this what you are refferring to as the different cog on the same filtration machine?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9083538#post9083538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chris melb
Mr Wilson how does Xenia complement it? Are you only refferring to Xenias mechanical filtration possibilities? You meniton that they are different cogs on the same filtration machine?

From reading Shimek's article (above link) it appears that Xenia is able to absorb more Ammonia Nitrogen, but there is a huge variation (SSD), but with respect to this variation it could just mean that there was no or little Ammonia Nitrogen present at certain times limiting its export.

Both Macro (Caulerpa) and Xenia absorb Nitrate, Nitirite, & Ammonia. However little Nitrate, Nitirite is absorbed by Xenia, and Xenia has more potential to absorb ammonia, is this what you are refferring to as the different cog on the same filtration machine?

What I meant by my comments is that you don't need to abandon one technology or methodology just because another appears to be more effective. Xenia should be used in conjunction with macro-algae for better over-all performance.

Steve Tyree and Leng Sy have discontinued the use of protein skimmers in the belief that their systems (Cryptic Zone & Magic Mud respectively) are superior. It is foolish to give up one useful tool for another when you can have both. If you're marketing a new idea, there's a clear motive to convincing people that they only need your product to have a successful reef aquarium.

I tried losing the protein skimmer when I started using refugiums with macro-algae. What I learned later on, is that protein skimmers remove the toxins generated by macro-algae, and served as a back-up system for the dark period when macro-algae leaks and returns it's bound organics back into the water.

It appeared that the original question of the value of xenia, may turn into an over-simplified belief that it isn't worth the trouble if you already have a refugium in place.

We cannot fully control the biological processes in our aquariums, so having a series of zones is more effective than relying on one solid method, such as protein skimming.

I think of it as an assembly line. Each zone is working to the same end, but achieving it in a unique way. As you stated, one method will remove more ammonia, while another may remove more nitrate or detritus. A method that removes ammonia (without residual nitrate) is more valuable than simple nitrate removal, but they are both necessary.

Dr. Ron Shimeks findings were that each of the three methods were efficient methods of export, and that each one had a slightly different composition to the yield. My point was that all three methods (cogs) compliment each other and work in synchronicity (as part of the filtration machine).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9079011#post9079011 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
Yes, that is one way to look at it. I throw xenia in the garbage by the pound though :)

Well, then in your tank it is an export!
 
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