Juvi Blueline Angelfish

[copps]

Blueline angelfish that is changing coming up on divers den. Tempted to purchase it if the price is right.

Have any of your fish bothered clams or corals?

I saw that little girl on FB... cute and chubby! Chaetodontoplus for me have been fine with corals and clams... staying away from the obvious no-nos for large angels...

Taiwan has been putting out some very nice fish... this is a blueline hybrid I got a few months ago (commonly called a "maze" angel)... just recently out of QT and doing great!

Copps

 

[humaguy]

nya has lots of them...including lil ones...has from 1-2 inches up to 7-8 inches....$130 for the lil ones...
he also gets maze several times a year...

 

[indyjaco]

I love these guys. I wish i could stick one in my 75.

 

[jaa1456]

I saw that little girl on FB... cute and chubby! Chaetodontoplus for me have been fine with corals and clams... staying away from the obvious no-nos for large angels...

Taiwan has been putting out some very nice fish... this is a blueline hybrid I got a few months ago (commonly called a "maze" angel)... just recently out of QT and doing great!

Copps

any maze I have ever seen always had orange in the face. I have only seen roughly 5 of them but all had noticeable orange in the face. Wonder if the orange is more prominent in males or females. All the mazes where well over 5" fish so I would assume they were adults as well.

 

[copps]

any maze I have ever seen always had orange in the face. I have only seen roughly 5 of them but all had noticeable orange in the face. Wonder if the orange is more prominent in males or females. All the mazes where well over 5" fish so I would assume they were adults as well.

"Maze angel" is not a common name given to a described species... this is a name given to any of the Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis (blueline angel) hybrids coming from that region that cause the smooth lines of the blueline angel to be broken up into a mazelike pattern as a result of input from either C. caeruleopunctatus (the bluespot angel) or the Filipino variant of C. melanosoma (the black velvet angel). In Taiwan where these are collected the common species by far is septentrionalis... with the latter two species being rare... the bluespots and black velvets have bred into the blueline population resulting in sexually viable hybrids that are breeding back in, resulting in a "hybrid swarm" of strikingly unique specimens throughout the region... my specimen appears to have input from caeruleopunctatus rather than melanosoma... the ones with the orange faces you are thinking of have input from more from melanosoma... below is a facial shot of a full Chaetodontplus cf. melanosoma imported from Taiwan... I received the photo from an importer asking about it, and unfortunately for the importer I broke the news that this exact fish is imported from the Philippines for much less... but these are the contributors of the orange in the face... many people mistakenly refer to these as C. vanderloosi as they show a resemblance, but true vanderloosi are found in a tiny range far away in eastern Papua New Guinea...

None of this is set in stone and this is just my hypothesis... genetic work will help iron things out... but what is going on with this Chaetodontoplus in Japan and China is no doubt fascinating...

Sorry to break off the blueline topic... but one thing common to ALL mazes is input from blueline angels!

And on a side note the end of next month I'll be diving Southern Japan and hopefully can contribute some wild shots of septentrionalis when I return!

Copps

 

[stuifbol]

Update:
still going strong:spin2::spin2:

 

[Kahuna Tuna]

I had a crypto outbreak in my 180 that took me a few weeks to get sorted out and I lost my blueline. It was the only fish I lost and along with the ick it developed a secondary bacterial infection and didn't make it. I am really bummed, it was a great fish.

 

[SDguy]

I had a crypto outbreak in my 180 that took me a few weeks to get sorted out and I lost my blueline. It was the only fish I lost and along with the ick it developed a secondary bacterial infection and didn't make it. I am really bummed, it was a great fish.

Oh man, sorry to hear that!

 

[maxxII]

I need to take more recent pictures of mine, but its still doing quite well.

Its a gorgeous little fish.

Sorry to hear about your loss Kahuna Tuna....

Nick

 

[roni]

Quick question for anyone in the know.

I had a pair of juvis coming in but they got sold unfortunately. The vendor has 2 3.5" angels that are adult coloration in, which are in a tank together (with a few more bluelines). My hope was to pair, which is why I wanted the smallest juveniles. Anyone have experience with pairing smaller adults?

 

[jnc914]

Quick question for anyone in the know.

I had a pair of juvis coming in but they got sold unfortunately. The vendor has 2 3.5" angels that are adult coloration in, which are in a tank together (with a few more bluelines). My hope was to pair, which is why I wanted the smallest juveniles. Anyone have experience with pairing smaller adults?

I would be wary of adding 2 angels of the same size. I have had a pair of small adult Bluelines on two separate occasions. The most recent pair I got from Diver's Den at 2.25" and 2.75". They have been housed with each other since QT and one has grown noticeably bigger and more dominant. I also noticed that the larger of the pair is starting to get longer gill spines. I may have lucked out, but I had a similar experience with my first pair back in 2008. With either set of pairs, I can't really say they were a true bonded/spawning pair, or they just tolerated each other. Another key to the pairing process is tank size. My first pair went into a 300 and my current pair are in a 180 for now. If they have enough room to hide and hash out any territorial disputes, they may grow to tolerate each other or even become a true bonded pair. Good luck. :thumbsup:

 

[roni]

thanks, hoping to get them a little different in size but definitely want to stay on the smaller size. They'll be going into a 270 with about 10 other angels so hopefully should be okay.

They are coming Thursday. Crossing my fingers that they ship okay and do well in qt.

 

[jnc914]

In a tank that size, they should be fine. Plus with the other angels, it may take a while for them to even notice each other or display dominance over each other. Do you utilize an acclimation process when you add new fish?

 

[roni]

In a tank that size, they should be fine. Plus with the other angels, it may take a while for them to even notice each other or display dominance over each other. Do you utilize an acclimation process when you add new fish?

Depends on the situation. I have a large elite aquatics acclimation box but some fish seem to cower when put in the box while others do fine in there.

Last time I added a few fish, it was 5 total and they were added all at once after qt. This time if all goes well in qt I'll have the pair of bluelines and a multibarred to add at once. Not sure if there will be enough space in the box.

Any ideas?

 

[jnc914]

Depends on the situation. I have a large elite aquatics acclimation box but some fish seem to cower when put in the box while others do fine in there.

Last time I added a few fish, it was 5 total and they were added all at once after qt. This time if all goes well in qt I'll have the pair of bluelines and a multibarred to add at once. Not sure if there will be enough space in the box.

Any ideas?

Nope, seems like you have it covered. BTW, I ordered the large acclimation box from Elite Aquatics last month and I love it. Great craftmanship and it gets the job done. I just introduced a couple of juvi angels in the acclimation box. I kept them in there 3-4 days, released them into the tank with zero aggression issues.

 

[roni]

They came in looking great, though a little bigger then I'd wanted. Not eating yet but swimming around and at least not shy. I'll try some mussels and live brine tomorrow and see if I can entice them a little.

 

[roni]

Still not eating, which is starting to worry me a little.

Tried live brine, which almost always works. No dice.

They ate osi spirulina flake and hikari mysis with selcon and garlic at the dealer...no dice.

also tried nls pellets, pe mysis, hikari plankton, prime reef flake, and thawed mussels on the half shell. Haven't seen any eating so far.

They are active and swimming around but not eating. Any ideas?

 

[roni]

Okay, larger one ate some live blackworms and live brine yesterday, which is a good start. No luck with the smaller one. I'm thinking of trying live little neck clams or live mussels...anyone have any other ideas?

 

[jnc914]

Patience my friend, you are doing everything you can to get these angels to eat. Just give it some time. When you received the fish, did they have pinched stomach areas? If so, getting them to eat and put on some weight may be more challenging.

 

[Alberta-newb]

Keep trying, you're doing well and offering a good variety. Sometimes fish are fickle and change their tastes. I have a butterfly that only ate NLS pellets and ignored mysis. Then he changed his mind and its the opposite. So I think if you have the time and can keep the tank clean I would continue offering various foods, even ones previously ignored. Eventually something will strike its fancy. Good luck