Kill off your algae in about 3 months.

Sk8r

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GFO.
USING it, however, is a little bit of rocket science.
Here's what to consider.
Some tanks have phosphate because they didn't use ro/di in setup and it got in from city water. This will go on accumulating while non-ro/di is being used.
Some tanks have phosphate after several months of being fine because it soaked out of their rock and sand and there was a good load of it. It will take several months to soak out entirely---because water doesn't move real fast through rock: but move it does.

SO. You get GFO in a jar. There's a sock with it, so you could just put it in your water flow---but this only works with real tiny tanks, because most of it is compacted in the sock and about as effective as another rock.
Best deal is a reactor. They come in the 200 gram size and the 750 gram size. The jars of medium are 150 grams. Go figure.
WASH the medium: clams don't like the dust and probably corals don't.
Then install 150 to 200 grams of the medium in the small reactor and as much as you want to run, up to 750 grams, in the large reactor.

The small reactor is effective, they say, for up to 150 gallons of tank water counting sump; but honestly, this depends on how bad your algae is. If real bad, 150 grams per 50 gallons of tank water. This means if you have a 100 gallon tank, you need the big reactor. And if you have a 300 gallon tank with a major, major problem, well, you may need more than one reactor to get this solved. I think the company is trying to help you do this economically---but if you really want it to work fast, your best answer is pushing water past medium more often.

Second, don't pack the reactor and have a big enough pump driving it. The reactor does you no good if the medium is lying still. This is supposed to be a fluidized bed, meaning 3/4 of the medium should be stirring about constantly, just floating around and turning over constantly, clear to the bottom, with definite movement in the upper 3/4 of the pile of medium.

Get a 30 gph pump for the 150 gram reactor or a 40 gph pump for the larger one. And be sure you're getting that circulation.

GFO will never release the phosphate it sucks up. But it doesn't turn colors to advise you it's 'full up' and canna take anymore.

Therefore---change it out and toss the old away the first month. Maybe the second. Maybe the third.

One miraculous week thereafter, the algae in the tank will hit a sudden scarcity of what they need, and die. it happens quite suddenly, over a matter of days.

Will it hurt your cheato moss in your fuge? Nope. Won't. Dunno what that stuff likes, but it's not going to die.

At the point you're rid of the phosphate, you can pretty well shut down your reactor(s) and put them away against a time of need, or sell them on---with no moving parts, they tend to be pretty indestructible.

Hope this helps. It's a little spendy---but it beats a crew of emerald mithrax crabs that take nips out of your fish and relying on a lot of hermits who'd much rather eat fish poo, sea hares that won't eat anything and then die, or urchins that just move too slow and don't get the crevices. Unfortunately there's no way to give job instructions to critters.

But you can rely on the GFO.
 
I dont think GFO is the end all of algae problems. I used GFO heavily for many months trying to battle hair algae, including changing the GFO for a couple months on almost a 3-4 day basis (was very expensive). What happened during that time was a lot of SPS deaths, and not much HA death. I believe the PO4 was leeching from the rocks, which the algae used before it could ever get to the GFO.

PO4 always tested zero at time this, didnt make a difference. That same rock with the algae on it was put into a bucket with ZERO LIGHT, just heat and flow, and survived for 6 weeks without any food source other than the rock.

So yeah, GFO can work but not in every case. Also stripping your water down enough where the algae will not grow can also severely impact your corals from my experience.
 
YOu definitely don't want to run it forever. I wonder, with your problems with the GFO, whether you washed it thoroughly before use....just asking for info. We've had reports that clams are adversely affected by the dust getting loose: it could be that the same happened to the coral. My LPS was unaffected (and I did wash the medium, but not too zealously), but SPS might be fussier.

I think what you experienced was, indeed, rock with a heavy internal load of phosphate. Starts out fine, no algae problems, and then when you get a few months on, the water permeates to the depths of the rock and the rock begins to leak phosphate into the reach of algae (which is very often present, but unable to take hold until it gets that phosphate supply.) Hair is quite sensitive to that need for phosphate. Other algaes, not quite as much, fortunately for us. I had no trouble with my cheatomorpha in the fuge, while getting rid of a rock-leached phosphate problem.
 
YOu definitely don't want to run it forever. I wonder, with your problems with the GFO, whether you washed it thoroughly before use....just asking for info. We've had reports that clams are adversely affected by the dust getting loose: it could be that the same happened to the coral. My LPS was unaffected (and I did wash the medium, but not too zealously), but SPS might be fussier.

I think what you experienced was, indeed, rock with a heavy internal load of phosphate. Starts out fine, no algae problems, and then when you get a few months on, the water permeates to the depths of the rock and the rock begins to leak phosphate into the reach of algae (which is very often present, but unable to take hold until it gets that phosphate supply.) Hair is quite sensitive to that need for phosphate. Other algaes, not quite as much, fortunately for us. I had no trouble with my cheatomorpha in the fuge, while getting rid of a rock-leached phosphate problem.

I would always run fresh GFO into a bucket until the water cleared completed that came through.
 
That's certainly as clean as you can get. No problem there. It is indeed possible that the sps were not happy with the medium, but phosphate is also a problem to sps, and it's possible if you had rock really seriously leaching out phosphate, that that itself was affecting them. Interesting question. SPS is sort of the bleeding edge of aquariculture, and we certainly don't keep them as reliably as other stonies. I'd been interested if you ever find anything on the question, and if anybody else out there in sps-land has had this problem.
 
Its possible the leaching PO4 created havoc on the SPS, but I felt like it was the GFO. Some colonies werent doing great and then died when GFO began, so maybe in a healthy system GFO shouldnt have an effect, but in a system with problems GFO can compound an already existing problem.

I have a completely new system now running for a 5 months. Only have frags at this point. I started to see some algae issues so I connected GFO in a two little fishies reactor, and not more than 3 days later all SPS lost significant color and a sunset monti completely dead.
 
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New to it all

Just began cycling my 36 AIO tank, got some stray brown buttons hitch hiked along and some tree like pulsing thing I tried to relocate and got washed away! Crap!! I put 3damsels in to jump start the cycle. Now it looks like some brown algae has populated my tank, should I be doing something?
 
Its possible the leaching PO4 created havoc on the SPS, but I felt like it was the GFO. Some colonies werent doing great and then died when GFO began, so maybe in a healthy system GFO shouldnt have an effect, but in a system with problems GFO can compound an already existing problem.

I have a completely new system now running for a 5 months. Only have frags at this point. I started to see some algae issues so I connected GFO in a two little fishies reactor, and not more than 3 days later all SPS lost significant color and a sunset monti completely dead.

I think it depends how much GFO you use... this affects how quickly po4 will be removed, and possibly also a pH effect too. How much GFO was used on what water volume, and were there other nutrient export methods in use concurrently.

I'm about to run some GFO on my system in an attempt to starve out lobophora algae, but I have SPS also. Would like to do carefully...

-droog
 
if you have a big system and tons of "dirty" rocks, try use the high capacity GFO and regenerating them. that is probably the most effective way to "wash" the rocks.
 
I just switched from gfo in my reactor to phosguard and In less than 2 weeks my diatoms and a small outbreak of cyano disappeared. I only used gfo for about 3 weeks before switching. None of my corals or fish were affected. I'm really happy I made the switch.
 
I've run a GFO/carbon reactor for about a year using phosguard and I have had no algae at all since I did. I now run a small amount of phosguard in the reactor all the time (along with carbon) just to be safe. Is it a bad idea to run like this all the time (I have no coral)?
 
I just started GFO for the first time yesterday. The tank has been running for like 6 months. While my phosphates were low at .08, I noticed they crept up a bit from like .02 on the Hanna ULR.

Due to adding my first SPS colony, I had to increase my lighting, thus creating more algae on my rock work. I think the algae increase was giving me a false positive on my readings, to a point, so I figured that now would be a good time to start some GFO.

I regards to the BRS calculator, I heard guys started using half the recommended amount based on their water volume. So I actually started by using 3/4 less of the recommendation... At 1/4 cup. I was afraid to cause any ill affects with my SPS colony. I will update when I see what happens.
 
why wouldn't you want to run GFO all the time? I've been running my tank for almost 2 years using GFO the whole time. Phosphates hang around .02 and I change the GFO when it hits .06 or so. You can also tell when it needs replacing because you get more algae on the glass. What am I missing?
 
why wouldn't you want to run GFO all the time? I've been running my tank for almost 2 years using GFO the whole time. Phosphates hang around .02 and I change the GFO when it hits .06 or so. You can also tell when it needs replacing because you get more algae on the glass. What am I missing?
You're not missing a thing as far as I am concerned. I do the very same thing and change it at intervals exactly as you described...
 
Phosgard and Phosban are 2 different approaches: one is aluminum oxide, the other ferric oxide (iron oxide) ---they're both good. Phosgard also says it removes silicate, which is a culprit in diatom outbreaks. If one doesn't work for you, try the other. Tanks vary. But I wouldn't run it constantly because there's no need to, and after it's absorbed the max it can absorb, it's done and no great use.
 
Phosgard and Phosban are 2 different approaches: one is aluminum oxide, the other ferric oxide (iron oxide) ---they're both good. Phosgard also says it removes silicate, which is a culprit in diatom outbreaks. If one doesn't work for you, try the other. Tanks vary. But I wouldn't run it constantly because there's no need to, and after it's absorbed the max it can absorb, it's done and no great use.

but we are always adding phosphates to our tanks so why wait for there to be a buildup of phosphates before doing something about it? after you tackle the initial buildup you don't have to change the media as often.
 
GFO.

Second, don't pack the reactor and have a big enough pump driving it. The reactor does you no good if the medium is lying still. This is supposed to be a fluidized bed, meaning 3/4 of the medium should be stirring about constantly, just floating around and turning over constantly, clear to the bottom, with definite movement in the upper 3/4 of the pile of medium.

Get a 30 gph pump for the 150 gram reactor or a 40 gph pump for the larger one. And be sure you're getting that circulation.

But you can rely on the GFO.

I was always told that just the surface of the GFO should be dancing around. Should I be running it at a much higher? I currently only have movement on the surface about 1/8" down in the reactor. If I turn it up much higher, I was afraid that the GFO would start to break apart and end up in the sump?
 
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