Killing ick ?

[ed102475]

I have a new set up that has Ick ( almost 3 months ) . I don't have much in the tank , I intend on pulling all the fish out and QT . My question is at what temp kills ? I would take out the small frags and RBTA first . I have a friend that can keep the corals and RBTA till this is over . Will high temp kill all Ick fast ?

 

[lagatbezan]

I think the hight temp would only speed up their life cycle not kill them. Just leave the tank fishless for 8 weeks and that will be sufficent to get rid of the ich. you can keep all your corals and frags in the tank since they are not a host for ich.

 

[Tin_Whistler]

Not sure if you’re asking for the display tank, or for the quarantine tank… But high temps don’t have much of an effect on Marine Ich, it works to speed up the lifecycle in freshwater tanks, but won’t do anything for a saltwater tank.

There are temps that will kill the ich, but if you’re fish are in there it’ll kill them first, along with any beneficial bacteria/pods/inverts/anything else that you actually want in your tank.

You’ll have to keep that tank empty for 8-10 weeks, and treat the fish in a separate QT tank to rid your tank of the parasite.

 

[ed102475]

There would be no fish , inverts ect. , I was worried about the bacteria . I don't want a to recycle the tank . I was really hoping to raise the temp to like 95-100 for 24-36 hours after fish , inverts & corals are removed to kill ick . I guess the fish couldn't be cured of Ick with treatment in say 1-2 weeks any way , If said high temp worked anyways.

 

[Tin_Whistler]

You can leave the inverts/corals in there as you rid the tank of ich, but it’ll take the 8-10 weeks without fish to get rid of them.

 

[ed102475]

I know how to let Ick die threw tank being fallow for 8-10 weeks . I was questioning the temp increase killing ick in a short period of time , But as I said I don't know about the fish being 100% cured in 1-3 weeks & about killing the Bactria .

 

[MrTuskfish]

I know how to let Ick die threw tank being fallow for 8-10 weeks . I was questioning the temp increase killing ick in a short period of time , But as I said I don't know about the fish being 100% cured in 1-3 weeks & about killing the Bactria .

Like Tin_Whistler said, it won't work. Ich can handle temps much higher than any coral, invert, and probably your cycle-bacteria. I remember reading, more than once, that ich can tolerate temps in the high 90s (possibly higher) Fish need at least 8 weeks in QT. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a fishless DT or a QT with fish; its still the same parasite with the same life cycle. BTW, ich is not "cured" when you just see the spots disappear. This thread will explain the ich life cycle ; and the reason for all the above info should make more sense. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

 

[ed102475]

Like Tin_Whistler said, it won't work. Ich can handle temps much higher than any coral, invert, and probably your cycle-bacteria. I remember reading, more than once, that ich can tolerate temps in the high 90s (possibly higher) Fish need at least 8 weeks in QT. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a fishless DT or a QT with fish; its still the same parasite with the same life cycle. BTW, ich is not "cured" when you just see the spots disappear. This thread will explain the ich life cycle ; and the reason for all the above info should make more sense. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

I have read all all threads on Ich . I also know Ich isn't "cured" just because you cant see it. I read somewhere Ich dies at temps at 90*+ . Every one keeps repeating the same thing . As for this... " Fish need at least 8 weeks in QT. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a fishless DT or a QT with fish; its still the same parasite with the same life cycle. " . Why do you think that is ? ...
Life cycle has little to do with it . When medicating , It's to assure the parasite has been eradicated 100% .
Lets make this easy ... At what temp does Ich die .

 

[Tin_Whistler]

I don’t know if anyone has ever studied it.

I do know they’ve found ich in waters from 50-90 degrees, I don’t think you’ll be able to get above that without taking your water to a stove.

There has to be some temp at which they’ll die, however you are going to likely kill off any beneficial bacteria, pods, or miniscule organisms in your tank in trying to do so.

 

[snorvich]

Lets make this easy ... At what temp does Ich die .

Let's make this easy. Not at any temperature that will allow other animals to live.

 

[ed102475]

I don't know if anyone has ever studied it.

I do know they've found ich in waters from 50-90 degrees, I don't think you'll be able to get above that without taking your water to a stove.

There has to be some temp at which they'll die, however you are going to likely kill off any beneficial bacteria, pods, or miniscule organisms in your tank in trying to do so.

I don't think It would work without killing all beneficial organisms .
It would be better to go the full 8-10 weeks , agreed .
Has anyone noticed that clown fish seem to have a resilience to Ich ?

 

[ed102475]

Let's make this easy. Not at any temperature that will allow other animals to live.

I was not intending on killing any animals other than pods , bacteria ect.. but thank you Steve.
In saying that I think it wouldn't be worth that kind of die off .

 

[snorvich]

I don't think It would work without killing all beneficial organisms .
It would be better to go the full 8-10 weeks , agreed .
Has anyone noticed that clown fish seem to have a resilience to Ich ?

Well, like other fish with heavy slime coats, it seems that Mandarins and clowns among others seem more resistant. But both of these fish can not withstand oodinium or brook.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I have read all all threads on Ich . I also know Ich isn't "cured" just because you cant see it. I read somewhere Ich dies at temps at 90*+ . Every one keeps repeating the same thing . As for this... " Fish need at least 8 weeks in QT. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a fishless DT or a QT with fish; its still the same parasite with the same life cycle. " . Why do you think that is ? ...
Life cycle has little to do with it . When medicating , It's to assure the parasite has been eradicated 100% .
Lets make this easy ... At what temp does Ich die .

If you've read all this stuff, i guessed I mis-interpreted the apparent question in your post "6 :" But as I said I don't know about the fish being 100% cured in 1-3 weeks & about killing the Bactria" . My reply was based on the assumption that ''you don't know about fish being cured in 1-3 weeks". As to what temp ich dies; Because of all the recent info and apparently evolving strains of ich, I don't see how anyone can know what that magic temp is.

 

[ed102475]

If you've read all this stuff, i guessed I mis-interpreted the apparent question in your post "6 :" But as I said I don't know about the fish being 100% cured in 1-3 weeks & about killing the Bactria" . My reply was based on the assumption that ''you don't know about fish being cured in 1-3 weeks". As to what temp ich dies; Because of all the recent info and apparently evolving strains of ich, I don't see how anyone can know what that magic temp is.

I apologize , The after rereading it , I see your point .
I guess I knew the answer anyway.
The high Temp might Kill Ich and will kill beneficial organisms , restarting a cycle , Then having to wait 8-10 weeks anyway.
The fish after medicating might be cured in 1-3 weeks .
If not I start all over again...
Again my apologies , I made the mistake a caused this in the first place.