Let's Build a Cube Reef Setup!

Dave,
I've been looking at the Aquallumination Sol - finding very positive info on them but again, the price is substantial.
Here is an interesting thread on AI and LED's:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1841197

Sure emphasizes that fact that all LED's are not equal!
Jack



Jack- Unfortunately...2 x 6060's.These are the only LED's that I have seen in action.A friend of mine works for the company,he came over one night and we set some up on my tank,I think they are awesome.The colors are great,no heat,he figured about 96 watts for my setup.I will be switching over eventually.I know you don't want to run a canopy & these fixtures look really clean.
 
You stated that you needed test kits I like the Sera Nitrate test it has different colors for segregation not 5 shades of pink, and for 10 bucks can't be beat for price.
 
I am very curious on how you do your lights. I am thinking on switching from MH/VHO's to LED's and I love checking out other peoples setups. Looking forward to your build thread.
 
Just purchased my skimmer. Got a BK 180, v2 brand new in un-opened box. (Mojo - thanks for your guidance; confirmed my research finding.)
Should be here by next Wednesday. Found a dealer shutting down and got a great price on it.

Now to the sump and main recir pump.
Also need to define what in-tank pumps and wave maker to get.

Waiting for your suggestions!
Jack

PS: Lights will be the last item purchased - pretty sure LED's but dang they are expensive!!
 
Might I suggest a 250W (maybe 400W if you're inclined) metal halide in a lumenmax3 reflector for spread with 2x24W T5HO actinic lights for supplements? I think this will give you sufficient light for whatever you want to keep, and replacing only one metal halide bulb will definitely help you save on your replacement costs. LEDs are fine and dandy, but you're going to need a lot for that size footprint/finding one in that size will be difficult. I've always plugged for MH when the aquarium in question is a cube that can be perfectly covered by one MH pendant.
 
I'm hoping to come up with an LED configuration that will meet the 36x36x27h dimensions AND avoid the heat issues with MH. I'd far rather put the purchase expense into LED's than into a chiller, replacement bulbs and much higher electric bills (got to have the condo A/C running more to cool the room the chiller and MH's are heating up, along with the cost to operate the MH and chiller.)

There is a chap that is running his 36x36x27 cube with only one AI LED - removed the optics from the light. Anxious to learn from him the longer term results of this modification.

Well see.

Might I suggest a 250W (maybe 400W if you're inclined) metal halide in a lumenmax3 reflector for spread with 2x24W T5HO actinic lights for supplements? I think this will give you sufficient light for whatever you want to keep, and replacing only one metal halide bulb will definitely help you save on your replacement costs. LEDs are fine and dandy, but you're going to need a lot for that size footprint/finding one in that size will be difficult. I've always plugged for MH when the aquarium in question is a cube that can be perfectly covered by one MH pendant.
 
Hey Dave.

I have a very similar tank (36x36x27) and I'll be running DIY LEDs plus 2x24w T5s. I was considering the AI lights as well, since I can control them with my profilux, but DIY was cheaper and gave me a little more control over the selection of LEDs and optics, plus it is going in a canopy, so I don't need a fancy enclosure.

I have a ATB v1.5 and I'm thinking about using a 40 g sump with a Reeflo spapper pump for return along with a pair of 6105s and perhaps a pair of 6055s (from current tank).
 
Here's a pic of my 150 DD with Starphire before I filled it. Standard Monterey stand.

Lighting is a single 250 watt SE Reeflux 10K bulb with Lumenmax Elite reflector. Light arm is custom made by myself. Skimmer is a Reef Octopus SRO-INT1000. There's a little more rock in there now than what's shown, but not much more.

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Anyone suggest the ideal turnover rate for the 150 gal cube?
I'm thinking at least 10 times and ideally 15 times the volume - when I had my 350 tank back in the 80's I learned the more turn over the better.
But wondering now if it would not be wiser to send less volume through the sump and relay on internal turbo type pumps to generate the turbulence.
Thougths?

Next, what internal sump pump would best accomplish this with least noise and heat?

Jack
 
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I'm going to use a reeflo snapper, but it will also power my reactors and down the road a frag tank.

Ideally people shoot for 5-7x sump turnover.
 
Tank turnover is like glass or acrylic tanks they're are opposing ideas. Euro Reef recommends appr. 250 gallons an hour so that the skimmer can process that much water.Other people like to run a lot of water through their sump, so a faster turnover. If you are running a fuge it will require a fast zone and a very slow zone. I have been running a very slow sump but have bumped it up a little due to if their is not enough flow the deitrus just sinks back into the tank.
 
(securing lighting units for a 30" length could be a problem?). I was thinking of a or more likely a 150 with 36x36x27 BUT 27" seems a bit deep for LED light penetration and the price jump to this size is dramatic!

Plan is to not put a canopy on the tank - suspend the lighting for a "floating cube of water" look.

Guidance Requested:
1. With a cube tank, go with corner or center overflow - seems center would be less visually offensive?
2. Berlin sump - suggested manufacturers and size? Tweaks? Alternatives?
3. Skimmer - go with new Cone skimmers? Brand?
4. Lighting - Wow, has this area changed! As my main focus is the coral arena, both hard and soft I'm really needing some guidance here. I'd prefer to avoid a chiller, thus seriously looking into the new LED approach BUT need to be sure that the spectrum needs of the corals can be met. Suggested brands and configurations would be greatly appreciated.

So there is the mission - to build a reef setup based on today's improvements in technology and logic.

I await your guidance.

Jack

Welcome back to the club! The statement about LEDs was true in the past but that view has kind of changed over time. As information has slowly come available about LEDs I have learned that they can easily penetrate the water column. Take look at my signature, with more than 30" between my lights and the sandbed I cant turn my lights on past 50% with out totally cooking my SPS, which btw, are still acclimating in the sand. The Cube sounds like a great idea and I would be glad to save someone else money on constantly upgrading equipment.

First, the overflow, I would love to see you get a corner overflow or even less invasive option such as an Gl***Hole* or external. Any of those three options will allow you maximum space inside the tank and minimize the dead spots created on either side of a center overflow. I am going to skip the sump and head straight to the skimmer.

The cone skimmers are definitely all the latest rage and with good reason. Personally, I like that less strain is put on the motor, less water is over the pump and your replacing that water volume with very light air bubbles which will remove more waste per gallon. I should state this second reason hasnt been verfied by anyone with a PhD after their name but I have a decent grasp of the concept. I think as air rushes in a more uniform direct route to the top more bio matter will attach to those bubbles in less time. Add in the bonus that these airbubbles have a more direct line to travel straight up the sides into a smaller area which increases the bubbles velocity which will get you less gunk accumulation in the neck and place it in the collection cup where it belongs. These body changes should do nothing but improve the outstanding efficiencies of todays skimming pumps. As for the lighting, you know where I stand, LED's.

LEd's are truely a game changer in the world of in home aquariums. While all the benefits have yet to be realized all the cost with these units is frontloaded vs Backloaded. You have no heat which means no chiller! You have minimal draw for power which means less strain on your pocket every month by your electric bill ( I saved 30-50 a month)! You dont have to shell out yearly for bulb replacements and you can control the intensity of those bulbs. Beyond that the performance of LED's has atleast in my experience been head and shoulders above MHs or T5. Do yourself a favor and check out this link; you will learn a lot very quickly http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1841197. FWIW I feel 4 AI Sol BLue units would be more than enough. I would estimate you might be pulling 144watts to light a tank of that size (4unitsX72watt X .50)

I hope my advice helps and I look forward to seeing pictures of your new set up!


P.S. Dont forget the RO/DI unit and tunze osmolator.
 
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ReefSurfing - thanks for you input.

At this point my skimmer is purchased and sitting waiting for delivery of my tank/stand next Wednesday. I went with the BK Mini 180 v2 skimmer.

I'm a bit confused about sumps and refugiums - if you set a refugium does that not remove the need for a sump? I'm looking at the ADHI refugium unit at the moment - seems pricey to me but it looks like it would do the job.
Your thoughts?

I've been reading the tread you mentioned - lot of data there - has me fairly convinced to go with the AI Sol units and have all optics be the 70% type. I'm hoping that just two units will provide the light needs that I'll have - I don't see adding SPS's for some time. I'm again finding the price of two AI Sols to be quite high - anyone have suggestions on best place to purchase to get a "fair" price?

Thanks,
Jack
 
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ReefSurfing - thanks for you input.

At this point my skimmer is purchased and sitting waiting for delivery of my tank/stand next Wednesday. I went with the BK Mini 180 v2 skimmer.

I'm a bit confused about sumps and refugiums - if you set a refugium does that not remove the need for a sump? I'm looking at the ADHI refugium unit at the moment - seems pricey to me but it looks like it would do the job.
Your thoughts?

I've been reading the tread you mentioned - lot of data there - has me fairly convinced to go with the AI Sol units and have all optics be the 70% type. I'm hoping that just two units will provide the light needs that I'll have - I don't see adding SPS's for some time. I'm again finding the price of two AI Sols to be quite high - anyone have suggestions on best place to purchase to get a "fair" price?

Thanks,
Jack

Sumps and refugiums serve similar purposes, filtration, but perform that function in different ways. A sump by design is meant to handle more flow than a refugium which works well for your skimmer/return sections. Traditionally refugiums are low flow ares where macro algae and beneficial pods can reproduce without being bothered by your tranks inhabitants. Without SPS in your tank I think you could get away with 2 units if they are placed right. I would check out Reefgeek for availability on those Sol Blue units your looking to purchase.
 
I only have about 36x36x25h internal space in the cabinet for all of the gear.
Doubt there would be room for sump and refug along with the AquaMedic 100 calcium reactor and CO2 tank, etc.

Looks like I will have to decide between sump or refug. Suggestions?

PS: Looks like the AI LED units are selling at retail only - I've been trying to find a decent price on them but no luck so far - I hate to pay retail for anything, especially when I know it won't be worth much in 3 years!

Sumps and refugiums serve similar purposes, filtration, but perform that function in different ways. A sump by design is meant to handle more flow than a refugium which works well for your skimmer/return sections. Traditionally refugiums are low flow ares where macro algae and beneficial pods can reproduce without being bothered by your tranks inhabitants. Without SPS in your tank I think you could get away with 2 units if they are placed right. I would check out Reefgeek for availability on those Sol Blue units your looking to purchase.
 
Jack-- the refugium should be at least 10% of your water volume.I could not come up with that in my sump (30x24x16) and still have a decent sized skimmer section and return section.Getting baffles in to have my skimmer section constant was my priority.You can always add a fuge later,doesn't have to be in sump...-Dave
 
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