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[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237018#post10237018 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
I was arguing against 55semireef's post in which he stated that it was "instinct" that the dog retrieved the shark. I am completely advocating that this was a trained behavior, and in no way was it an instinctual behavior.

Your right in some cases. Some dogs have to be trained to retrieve however dogs such as the golden retriever hence its name have the strong instinct to retrieve. When I was growing up we bought a gold retriever pup and I swear to you I never taught this dog once to retrieve. When he (his name was Cody) was a pup we would take him out in the mornings with us to get the newspaper. One day before we got out of bed Cody had the paper in its mouth staring at me. Ever since Cody retrieved the paper. We did have a doggy door but he dug a deep hole just to get that paper. We filled the hole back up and the next morning the same thing happened again. Paper in the mouth with dog slobber over it...lol. For the next 11 years Cody did this ritual and expanded his retrieving habbits as well which we never taught him. Talk about instinct...definately not trained.

 

[InLimbo87]

How was this "in the wild"?

 

[triggerfish1976]

Do you know anything about wildlife filming? It's common knowledge that animals (especially poisonous reptiles) in these shows are staged in order to maximize production value but they are still dealing with "living" animals that can be unpredictable and accidents happen case in point Jeff Corwin's elephant problem.
Since this shark was dead and they were basically just playing with it your comment holds no comparison.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237105#post10237105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
How was this "in the wild"?

Are you serious? In the wild? Now that is some funny stuff right there.

 

[InLimbo87]

I see what you are saying about instinct, and agree that with many dogs it is instinctual for them to retrieve things. However, I fail to see where retrieving a shark could be an instinctual behavior? Why would they have an instinct to retrieve something that could easily kill them?

Their instincts to retrieve are generally seen in retrieving things such as newspapers, squirrels, rabbits, the like. Basically, small things that they are either encouraged to retrieve, are prey animals, or both.

If proof could be shown that there was no outside influence whatsoever in the shark retrieval, then I would be impressed by this dog's quirky instinctual behavior. However, I (like others), feel that this event was extremely staged and that the owner's played a very large part in this dogs dangerous act.

 

[InLimbo87]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237137#post10237137 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
In the wild?

Once you bring in humans with cameras and other agendas, it is no longer the wild...

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237134#post10237134 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
Do you know anything about wildlife filming? It's common knowledge that animals (especially poisonous reptiles) in these shows are staged in order to maximize production value but they are still dealing with "living" animals that can be unpredictable and accidents happen case in point Jeff Corwin's elephant problem.
Since this shark was dead and they were basically just playing with it your comment holds no comparison.

First of all the shark was near death, but thats besides the point. The point is these people are great people end of story. And i dont appreciate how you are talking bad about them over a computer screen, luckily they dont waste their time on here like me to see what you people are typing. But then again all would be different if you actually talked to them in person.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237144#post10237144 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
Once you bring in humans with cameras and other agendas, it is no longer the wild...

You tell people that on survivor.And see how far you get.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237104#post10237104 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Your right in some cases. Some dogs have to be trained to retrieve however dogs such as the golden retriever hence its name have the strong instinct to retrieve. When I was growing up we bought a gold retriever pup and I swear to you I never taught this dog once to retrieve. When he (his name was Cody) was a pup we would take him out in the mornings with us to get the newspaper. One day before we got out of bed Cody had the paper in its mouth staring at me. Ever since Cody retrieved the paper. We did have a doggy door but he dug a deep hole just to get that paper. We filled the hole back up and the next morning the same thing happened again. Paper in the mouth with dog slobber over it...lol. For the next 11 years Cody did this ritual and expanded his retrieving habbits as well which we never taught him. Talk about instinct...definately not trained.

This is not a golden retriever. It appears to be some sort of mixed breed. Since Bluecarpet knows these people maybe he can enlighten us on what breed it is so we can determine if it is natually dispositioned to fetching. I for one have been around many different dog breeds in my life and unless it is one of the hunting breeds most do not fetch without some sort of external encouragement.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237138#post10237138 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
I see what you are saying about instinct, and agree that with many dogs it is instinctual for them to retrieve things. However, I fail to see where retrieving a shark could be an instinctual behavior? Why would they have an instinct to retrieve something that could easily kill them?

Their instincts to retrieve are generally seen in retrieving things such as newspapers, squirrels, rabbits, the like. Basically, small things that they are either encouraged to retrieve, are prey animals, or both.

If proof could be shown that there was no outside influence whatsoever in the shark retrieval, then I would be impressed by this dog's quirky instinctual behavior. However, I (like others), feel that this event was extremely staged and that the owner's played a very large part in this dogs dangerous act.

Like I said earlier, dogs do the weirdest things. My dog attacks his leesh, the sliding glass door but is afraid of **** roaches just like I am!

Bluecarpet says he knows these people and I am taking his word for it. The video does look highly suspicious but I believe we don't know enough about it to make these assumptions.

If the dog did do this on his own than it is remarkable but if the people set this up than it is kind of sad in a way.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237158#post10237158 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
First of all the shark was near death, but thats besides the point. The point is these people are great people end of story. And i dont appreciate how you are talking bad about them over a computer screen, luckily they dont waste their time on here like me to see what you people are typing. But then again all would be different if you actually talked to them in person.

You don't get it. These people posted this video on the web showing off. The video is on several sites and the consensus is pretty much the same, that it is not funny and they should be ashamed about even sharing it.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237172#post10237172 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
This is not a golden retriever.

Wrong yet again. It is in fact a pitbull/retriever mix, so before you guys go jumpin to conclusions about this that and the other, get to know the facts first.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237172#post10237172 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
This is not a golden retriever. It appears to be some sort of mixed breed. Since Bluecarpet knows these people maybe he can enlighten us on what breed it is so we can determine if it is natually dispositioned to fetching. I for one have been around many different dog breeds in my life and unless it is one of the hunting breeds most do not fetch without some sort of external encouragement.

I never said it was a golden retriever....I was making a point saying that some dogs have the instinct to retrieve...

I wonder how long it would take for someone to train a dog to retrieve a shark anyways?

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237204#post10237204 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Wrong yet again. It is in fact a pitbull/retriever mix, so before you guys go jumpin to conclusions about this that and the other, get to know the facts first.

No, I was right, its a mut.

 

[bluerug]

Its a mutt with retrieving instincts, so yes in essence you are still wrong my friend.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237214#post10237214 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
No, I was right, its a mut.

double.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237194#post10237194 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef

but if the people set this up than it is kind of sad in a way.

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I am glad to see that you're starting to see the light. Now if we can only get bluecarpet on board.:lol:

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237231#post10237231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
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I am glad to see that you're starting to see the light. Now if we can only get bluecarpet on board.:lol:

Nah iam not goin to be doing that anytime soon, at least not with a person who says whats the difference with being pushed off or jumping off on your own.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237231#post10237231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
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I am glad to see that you're starting to see the light. Now if we can only get bluecarpet on board.:lol:

Now we need to get the dog back on board...

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237226#post10237226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Its a mutt with retrieving instincts, so yes in essence you are still wrong my friend.

I don't suppose it would be too anal to ask for a pedigree.:lol: