Mac or PC for new editing station

You've missed the point. They are different cards BECAUSE of the BIOS. The reason why, in general, Mac hardware is less prone to crashing is precisely because of the very controlled hardware. They don't have to support some cheap knock-off generic card. In the Macbook and iMac lines, if you compared part by part, spec by spec, there's almost no price delta.

The issue is that Apple doesn't compete at the low end. You can hardly blame them really. They own the >$1000 market.

I don't remember the last time Windows crashed on me. I believe it was at least 2 years ago before Vista SP1 came out. I don't think Windows crashes are nearly as common as Justin Long and Jon Hodgman would have you believe. I've got a machine running XP, one running Vista SP1 and at work I use Windows 7 on my Mac Pro. None of them crash.

I don't know if you were implying that the PC video cards I linked on NewEgg were cheap knock-offs, but that's isn't the case. XFX and Gigabyte are major manufacturers, and in XFX's case they have a lifetime warranty. If you buy the Apple version of the ATI 4850 card, you get a 90 day warranty.

Are you justifying Apple's 2x markup on video cards simply because they use EFI instead of BIOS? That's a hard pill to swallow. The graphics performance of the card is identical to that of the PC version. Are you honestly ok with the severely restricted video upgrade options for Macs?
 
I don't remember the last time Windows crashed on me. I believe it was at least 2 years ago before Vista SP1 came out. I don't think Windows crashes are nearly as common as Justin Long and Jon Hodgman would have you believe. I've got a machine running XP, one running Vista SP1 and at work I use Windows 7 on my Mac Pro. None of them crash.

I don't know if you were implying that the PC video cards I linked on NewEgg were cheap knock-offs, but that's isn't the case. XFX and Gigabyte are major manufacturers, and in XFX's case they have a lifetime warranty. If you buy the Apple version of the ATI 4850 card, you get a 90 day warranty.

Are you justifying Apple's 2x markup on video cards simply because they use EFI instead of BIOS? That's a hard pill to swallow. The graphics performance of the card is identical to that of the PC version. Are you honestly ok with the severely restricted video upgrade options for Macs?

I don't have to justify squat. As I already mentioned, their business model is working pretty well for them.

If you think that they're too expensive; don't buy one. Is it really that difficult to grasp?
 
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I'd have a lot less to complain about with Macs if they'd simply open up their OS and let you install it on any machine (like Windows/Linux). Obviously they don't want to do that because then who's going to pay $350 for their $155 video cards?

TWallace,

In my experience OS choice is highly subjective and once you are used to one it is hard to move to something different.

All you say regarding hardware is true. Their graphics cards choices are very limited, the upgrades are hard and expensive. Keep in mind that that is how they control what goes in their systems and it makes it easier to have stable drivers. Some high end Mac video card have double to rom for the firmware, but that hardly justifies their price.

However for graphics you hardly need a powerful video card. It wasn't until CS4 when Adobe decided to tap some GPU power with OpenGL, however it is still quite minor and even my laptop's integrated video is enough for it. Hopefully CS5 will support OpenCL, only then will the video card matter. Until then as long as your video card can drive your monitors you have all the power you need.

For what it's worth I have a PC hardware running OS X. i7 920 cpu with 12G ram, 4890 video, 120G SSD main drive with dual 21" monitors. It would have cost me 3-4 times more to have the same setup from Apple, so I'm definitely against their astronomical prices, but their last OS X has introduced technologies like Grand Central which are worth the jump to OS X. I have a feeling that once Adobe takes advantage of all new features in Snow Leopard, the entire creative suite will run better on Macs than on PC, but that's just my feeling.

Anyways we can go on like this for quite some time. My final words for the OP are: If you have the money and are willing to learn a new OS (if you don't know it) get a Mac. If you are a computer type of person, look around and build yourself an i7 based PC and run Snow Leopard on it. As a final choice get a cheap dell with fast CPU (C2D or i7), lots of ram (as much as you can afford), good monitor (IPS based matrix) and run whatever OS comes with it.
 
FWIW, I have a Mac and LOVE it. i used PC desktop in the past with a macbook, then i got an iMac and haven't looked back. The gf is still using PC and will be going to a hackintosh once her laptop dies out.

I really like my Mac for the lack spyware, etc....I do a lot of . . . . . lets just say i'm a pirate :) and I have no issues with getting ANY software or music. I would not be able to do this with a PC unless I had some really expensive anti virus.
 
terahz, are you worried that Mac will try to sabotage Hackintoshes and disable your computer with an OS update? I heard they recently did that to netbooks by killing support for Intel Atom processors. I'm not sure how they'd do it since PCs use the same processors as Macs now, but I wouldn't put it past them to try it. I guess if they do, you can just avoid getting that OS update, though.
 
If you want to get the best configuration for the best money, your best bet is to go PC and build it from scratch. You can have exactly what you want except you'll have to go through the hassle of buying each part separately. But hey you can get a KILLer graphics card. Maybe a 2-slot one! and you could get intel core i7 920 CPU. This card's completely out of stock in asia but available in the states.

Or you can go Mac. No need to fuss with the build and you can go for

27-inch model with quad-core processor:
ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics processor with 512MB of GDDR3 memory

A lot of people go Mac for the looks or are influenced by apple's marketing. I too, love their designs and the peripherals they come with. However, if you go mac, you'll lose the ability to customize. Unless you get the pro version..which is significantly more expensive.

I have a macbook pro and a pc. I'm also planning to get a 27" quad core iMac to but in my room coz i want to conserve space :)

gd luck!
 
I put little stock into what equipment you use, i.e. Mac vs. PC. People are always very adamant about either platform for whatever reason. The problem is that buying a fancy looking computer wont make you a fantastic graphic designer, digital photographer, editor, or whatever. It is the amount of skill you bring with you.

You could have the most expensive and best looking race car in the world, but that will mean jack to you either if you don't have the expertise to drive it to it's potential.

Buying a Mac is not going to transform you into a well versed artist. Likewise, buying a PC doesn't mean that you should be viewed as second rate because you weren't smart enough to buy a Mac.

Like it has been said before, it is really the same stuff under the hood, the only difference is the box. Now, that being said, both boxes do have some pros and cons.

For instance, Mac has a really nice looking box lol. But it comes at a pretty penny. Also, they are able to provide better support for their computers because they are very specific on what can be put into that box and they handle all that for you, as Joce said. On the other hand, you don't have as wide of a choice with putting what you want into that box as you do with PCs because of the above.

With PCs, you have just about every choice under the sun for how you want the box to look, sound, eat, and breathe. The problem with this though, is that you can get lost in white noise and it is sometimes hard to sort through it all. If you can get through that noise though, you will usually end up on the other side with a lower price tag than a mac.

What is really important is going to be which of these aspects is the most important to you.

Honestly, my opinion: Even though I despise their marketing, I enjoy the aesthetics of Macs, I enjoy using them for my graphic work, and they have a good OS, but I would never pay that much money for one. With that same money, I can build a comparable or better PC and use the difference in money to buy camera equipment/coral/a palette of Reeses cups/etc.

I would want to invest in better hardware because I would rather spend less time sitting around waiting for things to render. I don't really care what my computer looks like. I barely ever see it under my desk :lmao:. If I had to wait around longer than I had to though, I probably would look at it more - I would spend that time giving it the evil eye.

I use a Mac and a PC and they have all the same software on both and there is only one difference between them: The shortcut keys!


Remember this mantra: "My Mac or my PC isn't what makes me a good graphic designer, my skills do."


For what it's worth, if you REALLY want a mac, but dont want to spend all that money, look into a hackintosh - regular (compatible) pc hardware and Mac Snow Leopard. The perk is that you can then put Windows back onto it and dual boot. This will be my next project, after I am finished sinking all of my money into my tank... I will let you know how it goes when I decide to break my tank down. lol.
 
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