macro algae

where do you get the 6500k bulbs? I never see a kelvin rating on the pc flood light bulbs at homedepot

Was there a new law on the collecting of wild macro? My liverock guy used to get tons of it when he went out to get rock. Now he says he cannot harvest it anymore. Maybe thats why we no longer see a variety at the LFS
 
edge,

I bought some "macrofeast" from bioreef a month or so ago. I believe that is actually gracilera. I think fish maniac had some as well.
 
Floridareef, my problem is not with prodibio like or not. It is not with reading a little or a lot. On a BB like RC, one has to be careful what they say. When one makes a statement, we tend to assume that they have researched the topic. Otherwise they should say so.

Nothing is more fustrating then reading something and then to find out that writer is a newbie or has not researched the topic.

Jeff,

How long have you been using prodibio? It really does not kick in for about 2-3 months and for some longer.

Steve,
I get my bulbs here http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/PROD/Reflectors/1P381951
 
What is up? It is like the prodibio hit squad is alive and well. Mike, not that I really like to agree with freefs j/k, but prodibio is still relatively untested. The fact that you are getting anamolous results that can not be explained ie: you have nitrates,but macro won't grow, is concerning. BTW not everything about vodka is positive nowadays, but when it fist came out everyone was on the bandwagon just like how prodibio is now. Just makes me think this product will have problems and weaknesses like all products do.
 
Palegic,

I got my 6500k off the used for sale list here on RC. It seems to grow my cheato excellent.


Mike,

Why can't you let it go? And is that your new sign-on, "ya I said It" that was moved on with just one post? Thats odd! Nonetheless, I hope you take every statement on any thread you may read with a grain of salt. None of us our experts, well I guess there are a few. I simply said "what I read" Its funny you are the only one that has the hang up with it. I have been more than clear three or four posts ago. Drop it Man!
 
Not to sidetrack this thread, but can anyone explain why I have so much trouble growing macro algae in my refugium?
My nitrate levels are pretty high - around 25 but the stuff just slowly withers away. Anyone dose iron to help grow their macro?

Jeff - I'm not sure why you are having a hard time growing macro algae. You have enough nutrients and the lights you are using have been used successfully by many people and there have been many postings of people's experiences with these bulbs. (Most notably by melevsreef). How are your other basic parameters like ph and alk? I have had great success using the 27K and the 51K bulbs when growing chaeto. Never tried the 65K but I'm sure that they would work well too if not better. Personally I would not add any iron. There should be plenty available in the water column to support a small amount of macro. I think that iron would only be necessary to add in order to sustain large amounts of macro.


Joseph also mentioned that his macro died back after prodibio, which I've also been using for about 6 weeks.
What is confusing me though is that my nitrate level hasn't dropped any since using prodibio.

About 4 weeks into using the prodibio my macro completely stopped growing and eventually started to receed. Now it is almost all dead. I expected this after reading of similar experiences by other people. The bio-digest is a bacteria and will require some time to colonize in your tank. IMO I don't think that 6 weeks is enough time to form a definitive conclusion. Prodibio is not a cure-all solution. For me it was just one part of the puzzle in a multi-pronged attack to get my nitrates under control. Along with using prodibio I have also been doing larger and more frequent water changes and have been more aggressive about siphoning off detrious as well as cleaning my skimmer more frequently to keep it running at its peak. So it is hard to measure exactly what the results are from dosing the prodibio, but I would not say that it has been bad for the tank in any way. I am not an expert on prodibio nor do I claim to be one. I haven't read anything bad about it but I also have not researched it as much as other people. If you have links to people posting bad experiences then please post them as I would like to read about it.

I heard Rob mention something about dosing it againt another chemical was a no no.

If I'm not mistaken, then I think that you are talking about the thread where someone was dosing prodibio and adding red slime remover at the same time. Red slime remover is an antibiotic and will kill the bacteria in prodibio as well as the cyanobacteria.

But anyways....To get Edge's thread back on topic....

I used to have a problem with Gelidiopsis, which is somewhat (not really) similar to graciliara, but since adding a tang to the tank it has almost all disappeared. If you are looking for algae to grow and feed to your tang then graciliara is supposedly one of the better choices as it is often referred to as "tang heaven". Other types of red macro include Halymenia, Nitophyllum, Botryocladia, and Sargassum. I would check locally first to see what all is available from the local stores or other nfmas members and if you are still having problems locating some then here are a few alternatives for you to try -
http://www.****************/
http://www.marineflora.com/macroalgae.html
http://www.fugeluv.com/macroalgae.html
http://www.ipsf.com/

FYI - FloridaPets has been a sponsor of NFMAS for a few years now and will give you a discount if you tell them that you are a NFMAS member.
 
Not sure why it replaced the first link with **************** but I'm sure that you can figure out wht it is a link to.
 
floridafreefs
No, not my sign on. I tell it like it is here and you know that.

Ben,

Not trying to convince anyone that they need to use prodibio. It is new and I am trying it out. I very happy now but that could change in the future. I want to give it six months before I will say it works. I do know that you have to be very careful with the dosing. My problem was with miss leading statements. Also, if read the referenced thread in the chemistry forum there is nothing really negative in there. Again miss leading.


Mike
 
Joseph, what is your nitrate level at now?

I've been dosing Prodibio for about 6 weeks.
When I picked it up from Rob I told him my goal was to try and reduce my nitrate level down from a nearly constant 25.
He suggested I dose every week for the first four weeks which is what I did.
So I've actually done 5 doses in the last 6 weeks.
But there has been no reduction of nitrate yet.

This is why I'm so surprised my chaeto died off.

I keep my alk around 3 meq/L and my ph is always around 8.2
I didn't realize that alk had an impact on algae...
 
I don't check my thread for 3 days and yikes!

I didn't know it was going to spawn all this. I just wanted some macro. Thanks for the entertainment and the info.
 
lol--sorry Edge. I tried to end it to no avail. Nonetheless, I want some too:) PM me if you find a source and I will do the same from my end.
 
I didn't realize that it's recommended to have your chaeto actually tumbling in the water.
Mine definately wasn't.
How much could the lack of tumbling have contributed to my chaeto problems?

Anyone come across a local supply of Gracilaria yet?
The more I read about it, the more I'd like to try it out.
 
Before Prodibio, my fug had live rock and Chaeto on top. It grew fast and I measured very little if any Nirates. So I don't think tumbling is a big factor. In Calfo and Fenners book Reef Intrabrates, they recommend tumbling but all of the pictures in the book show systems where it was not tumbling.
 
my cheato grows great with just the return pump movement across one of my sump baffles. Check out Melevs site, he tested sumps and Lights on cheato. I thought about a pump but have went against it as I have a large pod formation in the sump that I dont want to disturb to deeply.
 
I have seen it tumble two ways. One is with a pump. The perferred way is with a baffle system that has the incoming water coming in at the bottom and exiting on the other side at the top.

I can send you a picture if that helps.
 
That may help my Gracilaria to grow. Since the fronds are loose, would the water motion from bottom to opposite top - then over the baffle, not push it directly over the baffle? I have been trying to figure out where to put a spray bar or twor to keep gracilaria tumbling - but also keep it in the first section.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7362256#post7362256 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by grochmal
Joseph, what is your nitrate level at now?

Jeff - When I get home tonight I'll test the tank and let you know.
 
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