Make your own LR from GARF

LanginJoe

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Does anybody know if the LR that GARF shows you how to make is any good? Will it still perform like real LR after it has been seeded with critters? For anyone that isn't familiar with the process here is the GARF site http://www.garf.org
You will find it under How to Pages, Aragocrete.
And if this is a good process, and we can mold our own rocks, maybe we should have a workshop on it if there are enough interested members.
 
My tank is mostly GARF rock that I made myself. I would use this recipe:

1. One bag of CaribSea Sea floor special grade aragonite sand.
2. One bag of CaribSea Florida Crushed Coral.
3. One bag of White cement that is a low alkalinity type of cement. I use Riverside White cement made by TXI (www.txi.com/products/cement/cement.html)

Use 5 parts aragonite to 1 part cement. Try to avoid fine sand as it tends to fill the voids between the coarse aragonite. The rock may look good and be very strong, but it will be as useful as a cinder block for filtering...

IMAS usually has a rock making workshop each year. If you have any questions, let me know.

Thanks,

Scott
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7182285#post7182285 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GARFVolunteer
The rock may look good and be very strong, but it will be as useful as a cinder block for filtering...

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Very True - Over the last two months or so I've been experimenting with various rock recipes. I have yet to find any recipe that is good for any sort of "Live Rock". By that, I mean any rock with any respectable amount of porosity able to harbor life of various sizes.

I'd say I've done close to ten different batches now and in summary any rock that had a decent shape and visual appeal, (branches, shelfs, anything for that matter) - ends up being very dense and virtually non-porous.

I've had some batches that were more porous, but were to brittle to be able to stack or arrange in a tank. And I've had a lot of batches that simply never set up properly when modifying the recipe for porosity.

I've been using crushed coral as the "arago" part of the mix - and a bag of portland cement from HD.

I've tried various additives or substances to be used in place of some of the crushed coral - with little success. Various cooked and uncooked pasta - I havent had a recipe cure yet properly and hold.

My personal favorite and I still think most promising additive is nylon window screen material. I choose that becasue of the little squares, I figured they would be ideal for tiny air gaps. I cut it into about 4 inch wide strips and crumpled themand kind of dipped them in the aragocrete mix. Those set up properly, but were not very natural looking at all. I then tried 1/2 inch wide strips and I think my mix was too thin because it ended up stringing apart. Then I basically shredded the screen into 1/2 inch wide by 1 inch long bits and mixed those in (crumpled up as much as possible). I mixed that in with some of the basic aragocrete recipe and thats outside now - I'm not sure if it will cure. The mix looked good to me, but I might have had too much or too little cement - not sure why I'm having trouble with getting the cement to cure properly. I end up with a "mushy" rock.

Oh, I'm also doing this in a sandbox outside - and for the rock that I have mixed up right (and comes out overly dense) - you can make some good shapes - dig some holes and make some valleys and mountains in the sandbox. "Drip" the mix onto it, then you can add a huge mountain of sand and then drip some more over that and make all sorts of table structures and things with fold etc - but in my opinion way to dense to be useful.

I have gotten some surface porosity by throwing and/or rubbing rock salt at the shapes once youre done pouring them. I happen to use calcium chloride / sodium chloride salt, but I cant see anything wrong with the magnesium chloride either (any basic ice melt rock salt).

I'll keep you updated if I ever make anything useful.
 
The really dense rock isn't really bad as long as you don't ever want to rely on it for filtering. Most of my nicer looking pieces are as solid as bricks but I do not rely on the rock for filtering. If it does filter, great but if not that is OK too...

The rock I make with the recipe I gave earlier is very porous. I like to make a lot of caves and can hold them under the bath tub faucet and they do not overflow. The water flows right through them.

Thanks,

Scott
 
Well, I think I will also try out some different recipes. I am interested in the filtering ability just as much as the structural integrity of the rock.
Doug, could you send me a list of what recipes you have already used so I don't waste any time. Together we could find a good recipe a lot faster then on our own. I'm gonna try Scott's recipe first, from what he says it sounds pretty good.
Joe
 
All my recipes are very similar to what Scott mentioned - GARF was the source for the basis of the ones I tried along with some variations floating around the DIY thread. Dont get me wrong, I'm not in the slightest belittling anyones work or anything like that - or saying it's "bad". My opinion is that it doesnt seem worthwhile to me to throw something that dense in the tank, I'd rather have the filtering ability of something more porous. Hence, why I've been trying other adaptations - ultimately something with decent strength yet high porosity. I'm kind of envisioning the goal to be something like a stale loaf of cement bread - if that makes any sense- I'm just not sure how to get there yet.

One thing I saw that looked intriguing was also in the DIY thread - someone had basically mixed up a cement slurry (I think just cement and water) - and then dipped in filter floss or some kind of pillow stuffing material. That looked pretty good.

I'm not sure if I'm getting the same results as other people also - I could be doing something wrong - I'll take some pictures and post what I've done so far.
 
Yeah that's a pretty good trick, I think I might try that after I make a batch in some sand. I don't think I'll use the oyster-crete though. I think I'll try starting my first batch this weekend, if I can make the time.
 
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