Marine Ich?

[skleek]

Does my flame angel and neon goby have ich? I have a monkey goby that looks fine. I got a lyretail anthia a few weeks ago who doesn't show any signs of it, but may have brought whatever it is in.
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[davidwillis]

looks like ich to me...

 

[jt_milstead]

Looks like Ich to me.Are they rubbing up against rock?

 

[skleek]

Not really. The cleaner jumps on him from time to time picking off stuff. They are both eating fine. I might just quarantine them both this week and monitor.

 

[RBU1]

Its Cryptocaron. AKA Marine Ich. If your not going to take the time to remove all your fish and treat them all leaving your main tank fallow for 12 weeks don't bother doing anything.

 

[Orcrone]

I have to agree with RBU1. If you have fish with ich then you have the crypt parasite in the tank. If you take out the two infected fish and treat them you'll cure them of the ich. But when you return them to the DT they could wind up getting infected again. The only way to cure your fish of ich is to move all of them to a QT, treat with copper or hyposalinity and allow the DT to sit fallow long enough for all the crypt parasite within the DT to die. I believe at 8 weeks there's a 99.9% chance that all crypt parasite are dead, but there's nothing wrong with waiting 12 weeks. There's no such thing as too conservative. BTW, you should also not return your fish to the DT unless there's been no sign of ich for 4 weeks after the end of treatment.

 

[skleek]

Thanks all. I'll be fishing them out tonight.

 

[RBU1]

Thats a flame angel right? Don't use copper if it is. Go with Hypo salinity, but you must have a refractometer that is calibrated to make sure you aare in the proper zone. A friend told me copper and Flame angels don't mix very well.....

 

[RegalAngel]

Thats a flame angel right? Don't use copper if it is. Go with Hypo salinity, but you must have a refractometer that is calibrated to make sure you aare in the proper zone. A friend told me copper and Flame angels don't mix very well.....

I have used Cupramine with a Flame....no issues whatsoever.

 

[RBU1]

Cupramine maybe, but regular copper is a no no from what I have been told.

 

[deep_sea_Dennis]

I have used coppersafe with no ill affects also.....but that flame angel looks bad IDK if it will make it.

 

[skleek]

Today he looks better. The neon still looks cruddy. The other two fish look fine. Debating now copper (cupamine) vs the hypo-salinty.

 

[skleek]

I chose cupramine, and right away the flame went upside down when treating. Put him back in the display and he was laying on his side breathing fast. This morning, muerto. So I'd stick with the rule of no copper with flamers.

 

[Stuart60611]

I chose cupramine, and right away the flame went upside down when treating. Put him back in the display and he was laying on his side breathing fast. This morning, muerto. So I'd stick with the rule of no copper with flamers.

Angels tolerate cupramine just fine if dosed properly. How quickly did you ramp up to .5 treatment strength? If you did so any quicker than 4-5 days, then this is probably why your angel died. Unfortunately, the directions on the bottle are incorrect, expecially when treating copper sensitive fish, like angels. The bottle states that you ramp up to treatment strength in 2 days when you really need to slow it down to at least 4-5 days.

 

[skleek]

I did the initial dose to the tank (10 drops per 10 gal) and was in the process of acclimating him when I saw his health go south.

 

[Stuart60611]

I did the initial dose to the tank (10 drops per 10 gal) and was in the process of acclimating him when I saw his health go south.

Ya, this is why you had problems which is not really your fault. You had the nerve to actually follow the directions on the bottle which are wrong. This has been addressed in a bunch of threads here, and I, as well as several others here, have had lengthy discussions with Seachem about this. Seachem admits that the directions on the cupramine bottle can cause serious problems for many fish because they advise that one ramp up to the .5 level too fast. Unfortuantely, this probabably cost your angel its life. Seachem really needs to update their directions on the cupramine bottle.