Mars Bod?

[Justin74]

This is getting a lil sidetracked, this thread wasnt meant to alienate anyone. To me it only has the potential to make them aware of the issue. It's not your job or anyones to follow everything I say or have said in the past, but this topic has been briefly touched down before, and continues to be a current topic in personal discussions Ive had with others on and off this board. I personally am tired of the animosity.But after awhile I can relate to the very thing that bugs these people, hence this thread. Ive invited all to speak there minds therefore alienating no one.

Like I've said before I like to window shop by nature and I too have things I still need to unload hopefully to someone with interest. But in all honesty guys there are ALOT of these threads and I can't keep track of the ones IM even interested in. Its just a big mess.

shilo: My idea for it being a sticky is not to always necessarily keep it at the top because ya, a new post will do that. My hopes are to keep it organized to one place for the sake of everyone's sanity BTW are you going to be at the next meeting? I can bring that bracket piece to you.


-Justin

 

[Justin74]

Btw, I think it would be advantageous to the seller as well as well as prospective buyer. Just because you post something for sale, we all know, doesnt mean theres a need at that particular time. But when someone does have a need they know exactly where to go to potentially find, rather than remember "whats that guys name again,," "Shoot, when did that guy post that thingy, and how many board pages am I gonna have to scan through..."

-Justin

 

[Pico1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7934864#post7934864 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
It's not your job or anyones to follow everything I say or have said in the past

How do you think I feel? :rolleye1:

What if each Mars member gets to start one thread of what they have for sale and when they have more dry goods/corals for sale they can just add it to their single original thread, keeping FS threads to a minimum? Other members can cheack back often to each individuals FS thread seeing what, if anything, they currently have for sale.
For example, your thread could be titled "Justin74's FS thread (check back often) or (updated often) or (updated bi-weekly)" ect. As you find more stuff you have to offer you post them on this same thread every time. Also to keep things easy to shop for, if you are interested in something someone has you only PM them about it, instead of posting questions and comments on their thread.

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7934864#post7934864 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
there are ALOT of these threads and I can't keep track of the ones IM even interested in. Its just a big mess.

Welcome to reefkeeping in the summer of 2006. Like I said, it's not just here. It's EVERYWHERE.

 

[shilo_1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7934864#post7934864 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
shilo: My idea for it being a sticky is not to always necessarily keep it at the top because ya, a new post will do that. My hopes are to keep it organized to one place for the sake of everyone's sanity BTW are you going to be at the next meeting? I can bring that bracket piece to you.

-Justin

I must have misworded it. Fact is that mods don't like making a sticky. Just how it is. Important stuff has been asked for as a sticky in the past with no luck. All I was saying was make a FS post and have people post FS stuff there - there should be no need to make it sticky as since there are soooooooooooooooooooooooo many FS posts, it will just keep pushing up to the top.

I'm not a member - I don't do meetings.

 

[Jacob D]

Fact is that mods don't like making a sticky. Just how it is.

I have never had any issues in that regard. Every thread I have asked to be sticky or 'not sticky' has been handled promptly. It may make a difference if the person asking for the sticky identifies themself as being part of the club BOD or not (?).

 

[Jacob D]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7935155#post7935155 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
Welcome to reefkeeping in the summer of 2006. Like I said, it's not just here. It's EVERYWHERE.

It's not everywhere bro ... but summer sure is slow for the clubs

 

[Nu2SW]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7935589#post7935589 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shilo_1
I must have misworded it. Fact is that mods don't like making a sticky. Just how it is. Important stuff has been asked for as a sticky in the past with no luck. All I was saying was make a FS post and have people post FS stuff there - there should be no need to make it sticky as since there are soooooooooooooooooooooooo many FS posts, it will just keep pushing up to the top.

I'm not a member - I don't do meetings.

But thats the point, to have one post always pushed up at the topped or pinned vs having 10 posts thruout the first page. Which one is more cluttered.

So having just one we will see the forsale and everyone's else post's.

I know how justin feels and it is frustrating, These past few days I was looking for the thread that had the PC light in that I got, but Couldnt remember who posted it and what the subject was. So it took me 30 minutes to go thru each thread and read to see if it was it or not. Very frustrating IMO.

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7935904#post7935904 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mothra
It's not everywhere bro ... but summer sure is slow for the clubs

Maybe not in your house, holmes. A couple of weeks ago, Germy and I were talking about how CVR had become the used aquarium boneyard (Actually RC too). We laughed about it (privately).

Our collective thought was too bad I don't need anything. Many of the first post is a sale folks were redirects from various LFS. Think of it as payback for all the negative LFS comments.

CVR has a private board. I never use it except for posting jokes and stupid comments because it has become an informational bottle neck. The users will just not interact with the rest of the reefing world.

 

[GreshamH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7931772#post7931772 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
Exactly. Right now, reefkeeping is in a doldrum. There aren't many new innovations to be discussing and a lot of people have the summer off.

I think it's a bit harsh to be complaining about a bunch of "for sale" threads. We have unprecedent fuel and energy costs. We have been having massive blackouts. People don't have the disposable income they used to, and there have been many tank disasters as of late. RC recently instated a minimum 50 post rule to the Selling forum.

Take a look around. Do you think for sale threads are unique to MARS? CVR, BAR, So-Cal have all been massive boneyards. why not turn a "for sale" thread into a fun discussion?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=903451

Why alienate people and make them feel bad for selling some stuff during economically hard times? There is enough hate in reefkeeping to go around. No need to breed more.

RC's 50 post policy has been in place for over a year, hardly recent

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7936382#post7936382 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
RC's 50 post policy has been in place for over a year, hardly recent

Recent to me. It's one of those things which many people don't know about. I always see people posting others (with less than 50 posts) to try the sale forums.

 

[Mr. Ugly]

Re: Mars Bod?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7926037#post7926037 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
Any ideas on how to stop the onslought of selling posts by people unaffiliated with us, from selling there stuff?

Im all for helping a MEMBER if I can use some equpment,livestock that they need to get rid of and I or another MEMBER could potentially use. But catering to the rest of the greater Sacramento area and adjacent counties as a place to dump your aquatic stuff regardless of who you are IS getting overwhelming. [...]

Hiya Justin,

We had the same situation come up last year on the BAR forum. Somehow, some people split off to make a Greater SF Bay Area forum for the general public to use instead of the club forum. That didn't really help much, and in the end we just gave up on the RC BAR forum and figured it'll be whatever it'll be.

We try to direct people to our private forum on the BAR site to conduct club stuff.

Wasn't worth the headache and hassle to do otherwise.

 

[Marc Daniels]

All-

Been pretty busy with the wife home from Kuwait....and just have not had much time to get online. So as far as where the BOD members have been that's why I have been away (also not pushing the carpal tunnel surgery for another month or so). Pam was out of town, not sure when she is due back, Rich should be around but is probably out enjoying the nice weather, & Shawn hasn't been on the BOD in a year or so (and as far as I know he didn't renew his membership after the New Year). None of the other BOD memebrs were regular posters here.

Anyway.......I believe the RC Users Agreement clearly states that "for sale" and "for trade" items are to be listed in the sale & trade forums only. But the RC mods overlook the area FS & FT posts in club forums more as a courtesy. I personally don't have a problem with MARS members posting that stuff in our club forum, but sometimes it does get a run of nonmember Sac area residents posting these items. You also see club members from all the clubs posting multiple FS or FT threads in all the local club forums...when a single post would do (since we all read the other club forums).

We can discuss it at the next BOD meeting, and then bring it for open discussion before the club later that evening. I'm willing to run with the majority, but would prefer either a clear cut yes or no.

Marc Daniels
MARS VP

 

[Justin74]

Glad to hear all is well, and wish for a speedy recovery Marc. Your response is great and I couldnt hope for a better result of this thread regardless of outcome as It's intent was only to be put on the table,not to air any dirty laundry but to clean some closetsThanks.

-Justin

 

[Nu2SW]

Marc Glad your wife is home sound and safe. It would be an honor to meet her.

And thank you for responding to this, I was wondering when someone was going to respond.

 

[Justin74]

Btw Mr.Ugly I could kinda forsee the challenge of activity that would be and inevitably was. Kinda goes along with restricting sales to our sight, which me personally dont think would solve the problem, yes I did like the fact that there was an exclusion only open to members as it embodies the idea/conducts of most clubs IMO, otherwise there would be no fees and club member frag exchanges,discounts,speekers, and various events. And because Im all for a board like we already have, and not for another sub link in reefcentral's club section. I subscribe to a couple boards and thats enough for me . Just a sticky, sorry I guess im stuck on the idea.(Weak pun I know, ar ar ar!)Name it Classifieds.

I know Ive thrown this at Rich before about a classified ad on our club newsletter, but if you think about it. You know how sweet that would really be?There was a poll recently and IIRC there were about 30-50 or so online members/locals that frequented our MARS thread. Imagine if we got the other 100-200 something people that frequent the meetings and events to drop a note of WTB/WTT/FS's that dont have online access . That could be one ultimate shopping/trading experience.
May just be the time/hassle factor, I know I havent written an article for a long time for just that reason. I also know this club deserves some, I know I was always stoked to get it in the mail. Maybe me and Matt can alternate fish,then coral,fish then coral....

K, Ill shut up now, thanks for reading if you got this far

-Justin

 

[Underwaterparadise]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7939640#post7939640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Marc Daniels

Anyway.......I believe the RC Users Agreement clearly states that "for sale" and "for trade" items are to be listed in the sale & trade forums only. But the RC mods overlook the area FS & FT posts in club forums more as a courtesy.

That was my understanding as well

Justin, look what you started

Can't we just all get along:smokin:

My feeling is if your an actual aquarist and not just somebody joing RC to sell then go for it. Hell if it were not for FS threads there would be nothing to read:lol: :lol:

 

[DarkDevil]

Hi, I used to be a MARS member, and BAR also back in the days. I don't know if any of the old member still remember me or not. my tank crashed couple times, and I am just in and out of the game, that's why I just visit here sometimes. anyways, I really don't understand what you guys are talking about. do you guys don't want non-member to post FS here or do you just don't want anyone to post FS here at all.

either way my point of view is, at least for me, I like anyone to post FS here. it makes life easier, if I have to go check the FS section, read through all the post to get you are actually from sacramento area, it's kind of a hassle. I like to get stuffs here from you guys, talk to you guys in person, make new friends. but I don't want to get bound to be a member and go to meeting, since I am a ghost as usual, I come and go as I pleased. I have met a lot of you, and yall are really nice ppl. if I have good stuffs to sell or give away, I rather let you guys have the first pick, I really want to post it here if I ever want to, even if I am a member or not. just my $.02 ignore me if you think I am jsut blabering

 

[rafael13]

well said darkdevil

 

[Reefugee]

Just my opinion.

There are a lot of non MARS members (Shilo and Jacob for example) who contribute greatly to this forum. It is for this reasons that I strongly oppose a member only forum. This forum should be accessible to everyone - whether the person is a member or not.

As for a single for sale thread - they are a PIA to read. Have you ever tried to read the Bay Area forsale thread in the "Used Equipment & Drygoods Selling" forum? You wonder if an item has been sold. Also when someone respond to the thread, who were they talking to?

The real issue isn't that there are forsale threads in this forum. The problem is with people who use this forum as nothing more a dumping ground for their equipment and livestock. There are people who have never contributed one iota to any useful discussion to the MARS forum (or any local forums). To me, that's just rude and impolite. I propose that we adopt a policy similiar to the "Used Equipment & Drygoods Selling" forum. In order for someone to post for sale or WTB items on this forum, they should have a minimum of 50 posts and be an active poster in the MARS, NVR, or BAR forum.

BTW - IMO, the reason why the forum has been slow during the summer is because people have so many other things to do. Many of us are enjoying the outdoors, and thus have not posted much. Plus you have vacation. The forsale thread may have very little to do with the low number of useful posts. Non-the-less, the forsale threads for leeches do get pretty old.

Minh