i guess they are hearty or im doing something right.they are in a 38g tank,under 10k 150mh/130pc actinics.i have them on the bottom and they do fine.ive had all of them for about 3-4 months now.i keep my cal around 400ppm,my alk around 3.5meq/l,mag around 1200ppm,salt at 1.025,and temp at 78.i feed the tank once a day with phyto feast(7ml).thats it and i havent had a problem with any of them yet.