Melev's new 280g Starfire tank thread
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So Salifert is thinking in entering the cure products market? This sounds promising considering the quality of their tests... Do you have some more info in why they want them ?
Borneman probably is doing research and I can't wait for his valuable knowledge as always....
Any more "insider" info would be more than appreciated
Borneman probably is doing research and I can't wait for his valuable knowledge as always....
Any more "insider" info would be more than appreciated
rdmpe
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How are you guys able to pull corals out for treatment? Arent' they attached to your rock or are they mounted to smaller rock pieces at their base? I've been just glueing and/or letting my frags encrust right on to my LR and my LR cannot be removed from my tank without major issues. It is mostly epoxied together! So if I get AEFW or redbugs am I SOL or what?? :rolleye1:
melev
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<b>Manogr</b>, I asked about AEFW in the Salifert Forum if they were going to or working on a cure, and got a reply later that they would need some live specimens to test upon. So if others can bring some to Habib at MACNA, he'll probably bust out a Fisher Price Chemistry Set right there at the bar and create the perfect cocktail. :lol:
I know that Eric B. always is wanting to help on this one. Glad to know he's already begun.
<b>Randy</b> - When you need to pull a coral, you just snap it off. I'm not a fan of doing that, because typically they are positioined exactly how I like them, but if you just gotta get them out, it is possible. They can always be reglued again later.
I know that Eric B. always is wanting to help on this one. Glad to know he's already begun.
<b>Randy</b> - When you need to pull a coral, you just snap it off. I'm not a fan of doing that, because typically they are positioined exactly how I like them, but if you just gotta get them out, it is possible. They can always be reglued again later.
melev
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Yes, but during the treatment period, the encrusting coral must be removed as well. Using bone cutters, you can probably cut the stone under the coral remnant, and move that to the hospital tank.
You can't leave any Acropora tissue in your tank if you hope to starve out the AEFW.
Hello,
Very nice tank. I have some questions about the sand bed in your display. What would you say is the average depth and grain size? Did you go with mixed sugar-fine and larger grains?
What source of live sand did you use, and did you seed it just once with a tiny amount? Have you had to do any kind of major reworking of the bed? Do you ever siphon parts of it?
Assuming that your streams don't tilt and blow directly onto your sand, do you still get a lot of sand displacement with your water flow, and if so does that cloud your tank? Have you noticed detritus build up between or behind the rockwork?
You might have answered these questions before, but your thread is just so long. :spin2:
Thanks,
Dan
Very nice tank. I have some questions about the sand bed in your display. What would you say is the average depth and grain size? Did you go with mixed sugar-fine and larger grains?
What source of live sand did you use, and did you seed it just once with a tiny amount? Have you had to do any kind of major reworking of the bed? Do you ever siphon parts of it?
Assuming that your streams don't tilt and blow directly onto your sand, do you still get a lot of sand displacement with your water flow, and if so does that cloud your tank? Have you noticed detritus build up between or behind the rockwork?
You might have answered these questions before, but your thread is just so long. :spin2:
Thanks,
Dan
melev
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Dan, you aren't willing to wade through 310 pages for those answers? What am I, some type of Answering Machine? :lol:
The sandbed is made up of AragaLive aragonite-based sand that is sold at the LFS. I'd say it is all sugar-fine sand.
While I'd prefer a smooth level sandbed in my tank, the Tunzes and VorTech reshape it to their own desire. I added another bag of sand a few months ago to fill in the void, and it cratered away within mere days. The flow can be as much as 12,000 gph through the tank when all pumps are on high.
The sandbed in the back is definitely a DSB, compared to what you see in front. There are high sections and low sections, and part of that can be blamed upon the Tigertail Cucumbers as well.
When I lift up a larger coral or piece of live rock from the sand, there is significant detritus floating about briefly, clouding up the water for 20 minutes or so. I've never tried to unearth major sections, and I've never siphoned it either. I believe the nassarius snails and the hermits do a good job of working over the surface, as do the serpent starfish.
I seeded it with a few cups of live sand from my old 55g, and a few cups from the existing sandbed that came with the 280g when we moved it. All the rest was rinsed thoroughly to wash out all the detritus that was fouling the sand. Over the past two years, I've added a couple of cups of LS from others twice. That's about it.
The sandbed is made up of AragaLive aragonite-based sand that is sold at the LFS. I'd say it is all sugar-fine sand.
While I'd prefer a smooth level sandbed in my tank, the Tunzes and VorTech reshape it to their own desire. I added another bag of sand a few months ago to fill in the void, and it cratered away within mere days. The flow can be as much as 12,000 gph through the tank when all pumps are on high.
The sandbed in the back is definitely a DSB, compared to what you see in front. There are high sections and low sections, and part of that can be blamed upon the Tigertail Cucumbers as well.
When I lift up a larger coral or piece of live rock from the sand, there is significant detritus floating about briefly, clouding up the water for 20 minutes or so. I've never tried to unearth major sections, and I've never siphoned it either. I believe the nassarius snails and the hermits do a good job of working over the surface, as do the serpent starfish.
I seeded it with a few cups of live sand from my old 55g, and a few cups from the existing sandbed that came with the 280g when we moved it. All the rest was rinsed thoroughly to wash out all the detritus that was fouling the sand. Over the past two years, I've added a couple of cups of LS from others twice. That's about it.
melev
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Kendog261 - I'm very content using Kent Sea Salt. Over the past 9 years, I've used it for about 7.5 - 8 years of that time. Originally I used Instant Ocean, but there were issues with it not fully dissolving, and watching white stuff rain down in my tank on the corals, stinging them! gave me enough of a reason to change. Kent was a few dollars more than IO, and I figured why use the cheapest stuff on the market when I could 'give' a little more to my livestock.
For 9 months I used Oceanic, and that was disastrous for my livestock. I won't use it again. It burned the tips of several of my prized SPS corals, always after a new water change. They would take weeks to heal up, and the next water change would kill the new growth by enveloping with some type of brown slime. It was odd, but coincided with the water change itself. It is documented in my Personal Log, back in 2004 or early 2005.
Other brands have been tested but didn't really give me a reason to change, and I have 600g worth of TAAM's Ocean Pure in the garage that hasn't been opened yet. Since I have so many buckets of Kent Sea Salt in the garage, I don't see that happening any time soon. Hmm. I think I have a picture handy.
For 9 months I used Oceanic, and that was disastrous for my livestock. I won't use it again. It burned the tips of several of my prized SPS corals, always after a new water change. They would take weeks to heal up, and the next water change would kill the new growth by enveloping with some type of brown slime. It was odd, but coincided with the water change itself. It is documented in my Personal Log, back in 2004 or early 2005.
Other brands have been tested but didn't really give me a reason to change, and I have 600g worth of TAAM's Ocean Pure in the garage that hasn't been opened yet. Since I have so many buckets of Kent Sea Salt in the garage, I don't see that happening any time soon. Hmm. I think I have a picture handy.
selgado
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That makes me want to try Kent. Great customer service! I weathered the Oceanic issues and contacted them to rectify the bad bucket and their response was no response. I had the same exact problems as you did with the tips of sps. I also had nasty brown slime in otherwise sterilized buckets and mixing powerheads. Since I switched back to IO I have had none of the issues I had while using Oceanic. I will never use Oceanic again (or as long as my bruised ego will allow, which will be for a long time).
melev
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FYI, a few people were very angry with Kent because they didn't simply issue a recall nor contact the LFS' to warn customers a bad batch had made it in circulation, and it was both buckets and bags. People in the UK were testing and finding their salt had alkalinity readings of less than 1 dKH. Because I always test my saltwater for pH before I add it to my tank, I knew the salt was off. I just buffered it up, and never had problems in my tank.
It wasn't until others were posting about the lowered alk here on RC did I put two and two together. Then I tested mine for that specifically and found it was deficient. I called the 800 number on the bucket, and they had UPS come pick up 1 lb samples from each bucket. These were tested, and a few weeks later a truck arrived with six new buckets. I'm happy to get replaced salt, but I would have preferred if they'd issued a statement to warn hobbyists that there was an issue with investigating.
I'm still going to use the salt because my tank does well with it. And I'll continue to test temp, pH and salinity as before. This has always worked best for me.
It wasn't until others were posting about the lowered alk here on RC did I put two and two together. Then I tested mine for that specifically and found it was deficient. I called the 800 number on the bucket, and they had UPS come pick up 1 lb samples from each bucket. These were tested, and a few weeks later a truck arrived with six new buckets. I'm happy to get replaced salt, but I would have preferred if they'd issued a statement to warn hobbyists that there was an issue with investigating.
I'm still going to use the salt because my tank does well with it. And I'll continue to test temp, pH and salinity as before. This has always worked best for me.
Thanks for the response,
So you aren't concerned with your display sand bed acculumating phosphate and other nutrients over time? If you are concerned, what would you do about it in a tank like yours? If not, shouldn't you be? :hmm2:
It seems like your total-system-water-volume to sand-bed-volume ratio is high enough that the accumulation would be pretty slow. But then again your system is only 2 years old. Trying to quantify nutrient accumulation in a sandbed can be hard. I was just wondering what kind of considerations you've made toward it in the future.
Thanks,
Dan
So you aren't concerned with your display sand bed acculumating phosphate and other nutrients over time? If you are concerned, what would you do about it in a tank like yours? If not, shouldn't you be? :hmm2:
It seems like your total-system-water-volume to sand-bed-volume ratio is high enough that the accumulation would be pretty slow. But then again your system is only 2 years old. Trying to quantify nutrient accumulation in a sandbed can be hard. I was just wondering what kind of considerations you've made toward it in the future.
Thanks,
Dan
melev
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Based on a lot of reading, I look at sand beds as a 5 year project. At that point, it needs to be replaced with new, similar to when we recarpet our homes because it won't last forever.
I am using a phosphate reactor to pull it out of the water so that should help keep that aspect under control. There are tanks that have had the same sand bed for 8 years or more and are doing great. It comes down to nutrient and bio-load.
A Tunze Wavebox would help keep the detritus in suspension, and additional pumps like the Tunze Streams should push it out and into the in-sump skimmer to remove organics before they can break down further.
I am using a phosphate reactor to pull it out of the water so that should help keep that aspect under control. There are tanks that have had the same sand bed for 8 years or more and are doing great. It comes down to nutrient and bio-load.
A Tunze Wavebox would help keep the detritus in suspension, and additional pumps like the Tunze Streams should push it out and into the in-sump skimmer to remove organics before they can break down further.
Hey Marc, after keeping up with your website, thread and reefcast for a while, I finally have a question to post for you.... Have you looked into the Tunze waveboxes at all, because I don't remember reading anything about it specifically. I'm in the process of planning out my next tank and that was brought up as an option for water movement instead of cutting the glass and setting up a closed loop system. Any thoughts?
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