monti eating nudis question

[_dilly]

i just had a shipment from dfs come in and think the scrolling monti i got might have monti nudis on it. i did a coral rx dip and only noticed the white strings after placing it into my tank. once i saw them, i removed the coral immediately but my question is...what are the odds this will infest the rest of my tank? it was in there for maybe 45 seconds. i have a larger pink cap that i'd rather not have to think about losing for the next few months before the population would get a chance to build. kind of sucks, hopefully they didn't get loose. or maybe i'm wrong and they aren't monti nudis

any help is appeciated

 

[Tweaked]

Not seeing any nudis, but I do see some necrosis I believe. Nothing came off in dip? You'll know if there are nudis on it from a dip- creepy suckers. What you won't know is if there are eggs without carefully inspecting every crevice.

 

[_dilly]

i was hoping someone would say that. it would be great if they aren't nudis. i had monti nudis once maybe 5 years ago in a different tank so i have seen them in person and i guess the 'strings' i saw hanging off this area while it was in my tank could have been something else...but my mind went straight to that and i decided to take it out. i had to leave for work so if it's still alive when i get home (sitting in a bag w tank water clipped in the sump) then i will dip it again and inspect things. anyone else see/not see nudis? thanks again

 

[rovster]

Its hard to tell from the picture, as they are more distinguishable when they are in the water. That said, you could convince me that the area circled could be a cluster of them. looks like the right size and the white stringy cluster is very suspicious. I circled the area I'm talking about. Good luck. If you've ever seen these little buggers, they are very recognizable.

 

[_dilly]

yeah i've seen them before. this didn't look exactly like monti nudis but any monti+receded tissue+white strings always makes me go there. i might just frag the colony but could the eggs be anywhere on the colony or do they only lay them on dead skeleton? should i just trash the coral and keep risk to a minimum? it's very pretty...shame

 

[borris]

Treat the coral in a separate tank never take the risk with any coral going straight into main tank always ends badly.

 

[Mael]

yah if you can even set up a 5-10gallon QT tank to keep it in, I would also do 1-2 more dips of a short to medium length of time.

You could also try a peroxide/water dip, or if your worried about bugs specifically do a Bayer dip.

 

[_dilly]

well....the results are in. nudis for sure. came back to 2 of them dead in the bag. so a couple questions - this coral was in my display tank for a total of about 60 seconds. how freaked out would you guys be about the eventual rise of a monti nudi population in the tank? do they tend to cling well to the coral along with the eggs? or would something have slipped off for sure with a little flow? i'm crossing my fingers and will watch all my montis very closely. say eggs did enter the water column - would they for sure survive/hatch/eat/multiply? and what kind of time frame would i expect them to show up?

next questions is about the affected coral. this coral was from divers den and i'm a little disappointed they didn't pick up on it. of course, i really didn't either until a minute after it made it to the main display. so i know a lot of people have coral quarantine tanks...i don't. so i have a few options. first and obvious is to trash the coral and minimize risk. it was $40. not a huge loss. however, it is very nice and seems like it could be an easy rescue. so what i have done is...gave coral another revive dip which knocked off another nudi and seems to have killed it. i don't think there were very many on this coral...but i do see eggs. so what i did was, popped the coral off its base rock, and superglued every single crack/affected area/skeleton egg locations. the coral looks to be in great health otherwise which makes me want to save it. so with superglue covering everything...i have a small plastic container that i filled with tank water, and have it floating in my sump in a perfect spot where it won't move/tip/etc. been monitoring temp and it's matching tank at 80. i want to keep it in this quarantine situation for maybe a couple days. doing a revive dip each day and giving it new water after. how long can a scrolling monti go without light? will it die with basically no water flow besides me shaking it when i remember? if i glued all the eggs and do a couple more dips, would you risk putting it in the tank? do they only lay the eggs on dead skeleton? or live tissue as well? i'm just determined to save this thing. here are the pics-

 

[GroktheCube]

I'd definitely email Live Aquaria to tell them. At the very least they'll extend the warranty on the piece, and possibly give you some sort of credit.

You could toss it in a 5g bucket with a heater and an airstone, along with some sort of cheap light overhead as a makeshift QT.

 

[hatfielj]

I've had monti nudi's before in my old tank. If I were you, I would throw that coral away and not take any chances. They are impossible to get rid of once they are in your tank.

 

[Tweaked]

Ahh, you had to post the pics and couldn't just tell us you saw them lol. I hate the looks of those things, give me the heebe jebees! I agree to lighting the coarl on fire, besides, you will get your money back.

 

[_dilly]

thanks guys....i had a feeling that was the answer. i had them years ago in a different tank and definitely don't want to deal with that again. but what about my first question....how worried should i be about my main tank now?

 

[tmc1313]

I'm really surprised that DFS didn't pick up on this. This is actually the first ever account I've heard of from someone picking up a pest from them. I would definitely contact them to let them know. Their customer service is top notch in my experience and I am sure they will rectify this somehow.

 

[_dilly]

they credited me for the coral already. i was very surprised the nudis were there as well. i think that's why i didn't really inspect it that well. that's a good lesson. i'm really waiting for someone to comment on the odds that my tank will get nudis now with the coral having been in the tank for maybe 60 seconds getting hit with mild flow. anyone know how easily the eggs and nudis can detach from their coral?

 

[tmc1313]

I don't think you will have a problem from the eggs detaching, but an adult nudi could have released itself when you put the coral in the tank. If you were very gentle when you placed the coral and it was in a lower flow area, your chances are probably better of one not releasing. You are probably OK, but I would keep a VERY close eye on my montis for a while.

 

[Art13]

Someone can correct me here if i'm wrong, but as to the revive dip, does it kill the nudi's or does it just paralyze them for a time? If it kills them then in that short time its possible i would think that some possibly fell off in the tank and died, but as for eggs, i don't think they would hatch that quickly, and i would think they would be pretty well attached that they wouldn't fall off. Of course thats just my best guess, but i would think in the wild they are hit with good flow and the eggs are laid on them for a food source for the babies, so i would think the attachment would be enough that they wouldn't blow off into the current. If it only paralyzes them then i can't say for sure.

 

[_dilly]

i'm really crossing my fingers on that one. i don't want to deal with that. this order was going to be my last for a long time - time to let it all grow