more fish in 265g tank

[kevin1234]

Hi my sea cucumber recently died and took with him most of my fish. So when my params are stable again I want to repopulate my tank.

Heres the list of the fish I like (please tell me what you think about it, I don't want to put them all together btw)

1 imperator angel
1 rs regal angel
1 yellow tang
1 achilles or dussumieri tang
2 pygmy angels ( golden and bicolor)
1 angel ( either a annularis or a multibarred angel)
1 copperband
2 black polymnus clowns if possible cohabitation with actual occelaris ones.
6 lyretail anthias (all females)
2 neon goby (yellow or blue or one of each)
1 firefish
1 male spotted mandarin
2 fridmani dottybacks
1 or 2 Porkfish
2 swissguard basslet
2 rainford gobys + pistol shrimp
2 cleaner shrimp
2 blood shrimp
4 peppermint shrimp

+ coral , starfish (2 linkia) and 2 urchins ( longspine and unknown hitchiker with short black with red spines)

please tell me the ideal population with the fish I listed, I don't want all of them but I listed them because they are my favorite fish.
feel free to comment and give your opinion and even add your favorite fish to the list (I might like them also)

thanks

kevin

 

[kevin1234]

anyone???

 

[xxtriggermanxx]

I'd think again about the pork fish . they get fairly large and would most likely eat your smaller fish.

http://animal.discovery.com/guides/fish/marine/porkfish.html

 

[kevin1234]

ok so no porkfish =)
but for the rest what kind of population whould be nice???

 

[CookieJar]

seems like a lot of fish and the tank would look 'crowded', but that's a peersonal preference. maybe too much bioload unless you've got a good skimmer. Doubt the rainsford would pair with a pistol shrimp, maybe a different goby would pair.

 

[kevin1234]

oh don't get me wrong I don't want to put all the fish in the tank this is just a list of the fish I like. I want a fish population composed of the fish in the list but not all of them, it would be too much.

and for the rainford goby, i might only put one since they don't pair up very well and no pistol shrimp aswell.

For the fishstock i was thinking about this :

1 imperator angel
1 rs regal angel
1 yellow tang
1 achilles tang
2 pygmy angels ( golden and bicolor)
1 copperband
6 lyretail anthias (all females)
2 neon goby (yellow or blue or one of each)
1 pacific candy basslet instead of the swissguard
1 firefish
1 rainford gobys
2 cleaner shrimp
2 blood shrimp
4 peppermint shrimp


what do you think about that???
any suggestions???

 

[Chibils]

Rainfords need to be put in early so they're not bullied but need a large, active pod population.

 

[kevin1234]

My pod population is huge and i have a fuge + I have a dsb so I guess its ok .

but for the rest?? is it ok?

 

[A sea K]

From your list and for my taste here is my selection.

RS Regal
Yellow Tang
Achilles Tang
Bristle Tooth Tang ( tomini, kole, chevron) not on your list but every tank should have one
Golden and Bi-Color Angel
Copperband B-fly
5-6 Anthias
1 Neon Goby
Orchid Dottyback (there is a thread from a few days ago about pairing these guys, if your up to it 2 would be awesome)
1 cleaner shrimp
1 blood shrimp
2 pep shrimp (unless you expect an Aptasia invasion, then by all means 4)

+ coral A lot of the fish on this list are not coral compatable
Linkia, I would only do one and the Linkia Multiflora is more suitable to captive keeping.
urchins, Again longspine are very cool but not ideal for coral tanks. Try the Royal (Tuxedo) they stay small and dont disrupt the tank. Some don't like them because they eat coraline, If you keep reef levels 2 won't be able to keep up and wont be a problem.

 

[kevin1234]

thanks for your suggestion, I also want to say that I currently have 2 hippo tangs, 1 spotted mandarin, 3 chromis, 1 engineer goby, 2 occelaris clowns, 1 blond naso tang , 1 singapore angel,1 firefish and
2 blood shrimps that I thought were dead since the cucumber incident and that the 2 urchins are already in the tank.

would your list still work even with the current live stock?


And your right I forgot the bristle tooth tang they are eccencial I had one before the crash and he was great, so I'll be probably adding a chevron tang to the list.

So the updated list is:

1 RS Regal
1 Yellow Tang
1 Achilles Tang
1 chevron tang
1Golden pygmy angel
1 Bicolor pygmy Angel
1 Copperband
5-6 Anthias (I believe I read somewere thats its better to keep them in odd numbers? or is it for damsels...)

1 yellow Neon Goby
2 Orchid Dottyback ( were is the thread you are talking about?)
2 cleaner shrimp ( I like it better in couple its nice to see them hang out)
3 pep shrimp (2 for the tank one for the fuge)
(+ the fish currently)
2 hippo tangs
1 spotted mandarin
3 chromis
1 engineer goby
2 occelaris clowns
1 blond naso tang
1 singapore angel
2 blood shrimps
2 urchins

I'd also like to add 1 pacific candy basslet and 1 or 2 large angel (if possible) between these: imperator, queen, majestic, blue lined, annularis or a pair of bellus angels.

Is it ok can I still add other fish or will it be too much?

 

[A sea K]

Whoa,
Sorry I guess I missed the part of all the fish you alreadt had.
I think youll need to slim down quite a bit. Those 3 tangs alone get pretty big without throwing another 3 or 4 large angels in with them. I think youll wind up with some serious compatability problems as well as being overstocked.

I see your other fish listed in your sig,I totally missed it earlier.

 

[A sea K]

Forgot about the Orchid Dottyback info.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1362834

 

[xxtriggermanxx]

maybe you should add another cumber :crazy1:

 

[kevin1234]

I will add another cucumber but only later on.

as for the fish heres the updated list:

1 RS Regal
1 Yellow Tang
1 chevron tang
1Golden pygmy angel
1 Bicolor pygmy Angel
1 Copperband
5-6 Anthias
1 yellow Neon Goby
2 Orchid Dottyback
2 cleaner shrimp
3 pep shrimp
2 hippo tangs
1 spotted mandarin
3 chromis
1 engineer goby
2 occelaris clowns
1 blond naso tang
1 singapore angel
2 blood shrimps
2 urchins

there thats all

 

[A sea K]

Yellow, Chevron, 2Hippo's, and a Naso. Personally I think this too much even for a 265. The Hippo's and the Naso are very big and active fish, add a considerable amount of bio-load and require a lot of space. I don't know the length of your 265, and you already have the Naso, but I wouldn't keep a Naso in anything shorter than a 8' tank.

Golden Angel, Bi-color, and Regal are all very sensitive fish, probably won't do well with such an active setting. I would leave out both the Golden and the Bi-Color, also ask others with more experience with the larger angels about issues between the Singapore and the Regal. Don't forget these are not exactly reef-safe.

Copperband, Not exactly reef-safe either.

5-6 Anthias, genarally not large fish but active and require multiple feedings per day. This contributes a lot of bio-load to an already IMO overstocked tank.

Engineer goby and a DSB? IDK how big your goby is but it must wreak havoc on your DSB.

 

[kevin1234]

so what do you suggest?
I can bring the hippos back if its to much.

Before the crash I had a bicolor a regal and an imperator, they all did very well and were not bothered by the other fish especially the bigger tangs and luckily for me the singapore has been reef-safe since I bought it.

I'll take out the copperband even if I like it alot but it will be hard for him to trive if he is with more active fish.
And no anthias either...

Ohh and for the engineer goby he is just in paradise he has a whole city under there but he stays resonable and doesn't do sandstorms so thats ok.

so what population do you suggest with these factors in mind?

I think that this one would be nice:

1 RS Regal
1 imperator (with the hippos out of course)
1 Yellow Tang
1 chevron tang
1 Bicolor pygmy Angel
1 golden angel
1 yellow Neon Goby
2 Orchid Dottyback
2 cleaner shrimp
3 pep shrimp
1 spotted mandarin
3 chromis
1 engineer goby
2 occelaris clowns
1 blond naso tang
1 singapore angel
2 blood shrimps
2 urchins

and btw there won't be any bioload problems because I am receiving my sulfur denitrator in a week so no more problems:rollface:

 

[black_majik]

Forget the mandarin, you will barely notice him in that large of a tank he will be very 'cryptic' due to the fact there is many other active fish and it is not essential for the mandarin to be out and about to feed.

 

[kevin1234]

He is already in the tank and he is wonderfull I see him all the time

 

[black_majik]

Well I stand corrected thats good to hear. I always hear the large amounts of live rock make a enough room for them to barely venture out. That is how one of them are in our store's 24aquapod very secretive.

 

[dorm_reefer21]

the copperband will be fine, reef safe is all about how you feed them, if you feed them enough, there is no need for them to seek alternate food sources(i.e. your corals or shrimp). i have kept small groupers in reeef tanks and rarely lost fish, due to keeping him fat and happy all the time.

i would just keep the tangs down to three, and two large angels at most. as far as the golden and bicolor, something easier but just as beautiful, a potters and halflack, both pretty hardy, and nice looking fish.