my attempt at creating Thielli

Anemone12 said:
I'm going to get a male skunk and pair it with a female oceallaris. As I have many of both so money is not really a factor lol..
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It might be a good idea to reconsider the dominance roles. It seems that sandaracinos tends to be the dominant species when they are found together in Merten's carpet anemones in the wild.
 
Pick only the most vivid false percs for your breeding program. I know that some false percs can be rather drab in color. Some of it is diet and some of it is genetics.
 
dalilgriffith said:
Pick only the most vivid false percs for your breeding program. I know that some false percs can be rather drab in color. Some of it is diet and some of it is genetics.
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this is the parents of the fry I am trying to pair up so if their colors end up the same I will be happy.

 
pr12 said:
I had bee trying this but had a tank crash that took them all out. Had them all in a 75, 4 juvi skunks and 4 juvi ocy's plus a spawning pair of skunks. Started with just the juvi's for 3 months, they all hung out and I was prepared to separate them as needed. The spawning pair was not supposed to be in there, couldnt pass them up and needed to cycle a tank so I threw them in a breeder box that they jumped out of. They were playing nice with the others so I decided to just keep an eye on them and put in an egg crate divider for the juvi's to escape if needed. Tank crashed a month later so that ended my experiment.
If I do it again I plan to get a large pair of skunks and a small ocy male (or maybe reversed), dividing the tank with eggcrate so the extra male can escape. From my research the issue with creating a skunk ocy pair is they have different behaviors or "language" and cant understand each other. Also its been said that perhaps its a male of one species or the other suddenly swimming in and fertilizing the eggs during spawning, which is seen in some other species. So my hope with this type of set up would be that during a spawning event the extra male would rush in and take a shot at fertilizing the nest.
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very sorry to hear of your troubles, hopefully it won't turn you away from still trying. even trying to do the white bonnets (which will be my next feat) would be great.
 
shifty51008 said:
very sorry to hear of your troubles, hopefully it won't turn you away from still trying. even trying to do the white bonnets (which will be my next feat) would be great.
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I'll get back to it, but right now I'm having to downsize considerably due to life changes. The only fish I get to keep right now are a pair of Clarkii and a pair of Flurries. Once I get settled and have room I'll try again.
 
dalilgriffith said:
My suggestion would be to order 4-5 extra large skunks from ORA.
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The skunks I have are wild caught from the Solomon Islands, I wanna know the linage of all the clowns. and nothing against ORA but I have seen quite a few deformed fish from them lately which I would rather stay away from.
 
I dont have any of the skunks paird up with the ocys yet. The skunks are still in qt. I do have 1 skunk and 1 ocy together but there are no signs of pairing yet, they just swim together every now and then.
 
nothing really new yet. The skunks will be coming out of QT this week so the pairing will begin. the skunk and ocy I do have together are still not showing a whole lot of signs of pairing yet, they do swim together every now and then but that's about it, a little fighting between each other when feeding time but nothing to be worried about.
 
shifty51008 said:
I dont have any of the skunks paird up with the ocys yet. The skunks are still in qt. I do have 1 skunk and 1 ocy together but there are no signs of pairing yet, they just swim together every now and then.
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I think that is a very good sign. How large are they?
 
snorvich said:
I think that is a very good sign. How large are they?
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It is looking fairly good with those 2 wich i am happy about but haven't got my hopes up just yet.

They are still fairly small at around 1" so they have a ways to go still.

Ill try to get some pics and/or video up this weekend of the 2 i have together.
 
I would really get as many pairs as possible. I read one time that ORA has 20 or more pairs in their brood stock for one particular effort. I would imagine that you would need something approaching that. I've contemplated getting involved in this effort as well. It intrigues me.
 
shifty51008 said:
It is looking fairly good with those 2 wich i am happy about but haven't got my hopes up just yet.

They are still fairly small at around 1" so they have a ways to go still.

Ill try to get some pics and/or video up this weekend of the 2 i have together.
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My recollection is that they need to approach 1.5-2.0 inches before bonding occurs. (You have more experience in this than I do) But their continued coexistence is promising.
 
dalilgriffith said:
I would really get as many pairs as possible. I read one time that ORA has 20 or more pairs in their brood stock for one particular effort. I would imagine that you would need something approaching that. I've contemplated getting involved in this effort as well. It intrigues me.
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as fun and as nice as that sounds I don't nearly have as much space to work with as ORA, I have very limited space right now and with 2 other breeding pairs of clowns my 4 fry tanks, and my growout tanks it makes it even harder.
 
snorvich said:
My recollection is that they need to approach 1.5-2.0 inches before bonding occurs. (You have more experience in this than I do) But their continued coexistence is promising.
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I agree which is why I am not getting my hopes up just yet. I wouldn't say I have more experience as this is the 1st time I have ever tried to pair different species together. The main reason I put both clowns that were juvies were mainly (just a guess) I wanted both to have an equal chance at who becomes the male or females even though I have read that most likely the skunk will most likely be the female in the end, or at least in the wild thats the way they are found.
 
sorry for the late pic. they are hard to get a pic of as they are very skittish still but I did manage to get at least one to give you an idea of how close they somewhat stay. keep in mind this is my 50 gal fuge.


and just for the fun of it I thought these little guys were cute, they are my latest batch that are carmel clown. just the shape of the head bands is what gets me as they are not connected at the top or bottom but the other bands are full.

maybe I should start my own designer name of clowns and call these mutton chop clowns :D

 
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