My croceas are closed...

Well, My croceas have been doing fine, going on 18 months now. I never thought they were growing, but when I looked at old photos I suppose they have!

All of a sudden, the 4 of them all closed up and have retracted into their shells. They used to all stay out 24/7. They dont appear to be that worse off, but Im starting to get worried...its been 3 days now of this. They appear responsive.

Recently, I was battling a case of organics because my SPS were browning out. I think it was just the tank cycling however, as all my fuzzy black algae has disappeared, my nitrates and phosphates have gone to 0, or near that (less than 1 of either). My SPS have all colored back in (wow, my purple milli is awesome looking!), and through it all my clams have been nothing but very happy. I am also running more carbon and phosguard 24/7.

The only things that have changed since my tank has seemingly improved are this:

The red flatworm population has gotten a little out of hand. I did do a flatworm exit treatment on them last night in case they were in some way bothering the clams. Odd, I thought they were supposed to go bye-bye when organics go down...guess not.

I added a kalk reactor in the past month. Sometimes it doses after mixing and more white kalk powder gets into the tank. I just need to adjust the reactor more. For now, I have turned it off until things get back to normal.

The other day, I noticed the bicolor blenny taking a swipe at one of the clams. He didnt actually get anything...might have just been algae...but would clams close up permanently like this is they were getting harassed...even if it meant not getting sunlight? The blenny isnt really nasty, and none of them look nipped on the edges...

I have noticed that the clams have all added a layer of calcium to their shells in the last week as well...could their retraction just be for calcium formation?

The odd thing is that on the first day, one was retracted all day and the others were fine. Then, they all were retracted. Then yesterday, the one that retracted first was back out during the day.

Their behavior is confusing me. Anyone have any insight? What should I be looking for? To me it would seem that if something with chemistry were wrong, my SPS would be showing it first, like in the past. Is that correct?
 
I recently read an article by Randy Holmes-Farley about aluminum-based phosphate removers (Phosguard). Aluminum can irritate corals. He recommends using iron-based phosphate removers like Rowaphos.

But, it looks like you made a lot of changes to your tank, so it's hard just to pinpoint one thing.
 
Well, they seem to be coming back out today. Funny thing about the phosguard...I wasnt using it for the past week (should have mentioned that, sorry), and beyond that, I have never had a problem with using it before. Thanks for the information though...Ill keep a look out for it.

I was running just carbon up until last night for the past week.

I wonder if pH could be the reason. I am suspicious of the kalk making my pH high. Ill have to test it again.

Im going to do a 30% water change as well (just waiting on the R.O. to finish).
 
If any of the "white powder" gets in the tank it can land on their mantle and irritate the hell out them..I imagine if they inhale it it doesn't make them any more happy.
I add reef buffer and kalk, but whenever all the flakes are not dissolved completely and land on the mantle they get really pi55y..sometimes it even looks like there's maybe a little "chemical burn" on the mantle.

Otherwise I don't know...my clams have been through all sorts of bad stuff (pH, salinity, nutrients, CA, and Alk...temp has always been good though) and have never stayed closed for more than 30 seconds in their life as long as the light is on.

Cheers,

grimmjohn
 
Well, things are "adjusted"... But I dont think it was the white powder. They are still 'hiding'. They look like they are coming out a little, and one looks like its starting to stay out more, but for the most part they are all staying hidden.

I took readings today...pH is 8.5, and phos + nitrates are 0.

They are still colored in nicely, arent really showing any bleaching or activity problems...they are just not opening much...just enough to get a little bit of light and nothing more.

My acros are growing like crazy, but I did notice something...a few of them have spots where the polyps are 'worn'...like a mild bleaching...but just in a small 1-2mm spot of two...except for a purple digi towards the top of the tank that is 50% bleached...just like that.

I did a 50% water change today...enough to make an impact on any chemical, but not so much it freaks everything else out.

No change yet.

I am able to see enough of the mantles to see there is no apparent biting going on with the bicolor blenny. It does seem to pick at them from time to time...but it might not be anything more than algae near the mantle.

Anything else I should be testing for?

Looking for?

The coral thing might be a reaction to the kalk...but it might not be related. Just thought I would mention it in case it tips off any certain conditions.

AArrrrgh, why wont my babies come out?
 
Time for a Freshwater Dip (FWD). Use RO/DI or tapwater and make it the same temp and pH as the tank, put the clam in it for 20 minutes, then put clam back in tank; repeat in a few days if needed. Pinched Mantle happens a lot in crocea's.
 
i dont think it PM dosent look like it . you stated the your PH is like 8.5 and you just gat a kalk doser,i think that you could have add the kalk to fast trying to dial your doser in and stressed them out.
 
Well, as a first measure I did disconnect the kalk reactor.

While I do think this could be the reason, I am unsure how...well, not so much how, but I have overdosed kalk to the point that its snowed in the tank...and the clams have never cared before. And, if it were a super-overdose of kalk, wouldnt my corals (SPS mostly) be showing some more extreme burns, or even death? And when I tested pH it was in the normal 8.4-8.6 range.
 
Kalk can spike the PH very quickly and then come back down.But the clams take PH changes very hard. it may not be that(i think it was)but you were using an Alum. based binder just before this and it could have been this or a little of both.
 
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