My first batch of Red Sea

CaliforniaDreamer

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I just mixed up my first batch of Red Sea salt (thought I would try it based on Eric's testing). In any case I thought you all might be interested in my results. I mixed up a batch in a large Brute garbage can. 45 Gallons of RO/DI with a TDS of 1 PPM and 1 50 Gallon Bag of Red Sea salt mix.

Results

SG - 1.025 Measured with Refractometer
Temp 75.4 F Measured with digital thermometer
pH 8.65 Measured with Pin Point meter
Ca 370 Salifert test kit
Alk 8.6 (3.06 Meq) Salifert test kit
Mg 1320 Salifert test kit
PO4 Undetectable using DDeltec test kit
NO3 Undetectable using LaMotte Nitrate Test kit

All tests done after 24 hours with power head providing constant circulation. My only surprise was the high pH but I expect that it will settle down once carbon dioxide balance is achieved. I had actually expected that the SG would have been a bit lower but it tested right where I usually keep it. I will probably bring up the Ca to 430 by adding 7.5 teaspoons of Dow Flake and bring up the Alkalinity to 3.5 meq. by adding just a little over 1 teaspoon of baking soda. The baking soda will probably bring down the pH some too. I was happy that the PO4 and NO3 levels were undetectable (I always get the same results with IO). In any case it will be interesting to see if the next bag of Red Sea results in the same readings. I usually use IO and the Ca, Alk, and Mg readings are often very different between batches. BTW Exotic has the Red Sea 200 gallon bucket for just about $40 which makes it just as cheap as IO. Also I use Randy's Reef Calculator to determine how much Dow Flake and Baking soda to add.

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I guess I should have also said that newly mixed salt water is still in the brute container. I'll post again when I actually start using it for a water change. Based on John's results at Your Reef and others I will probably only do about 5% changes at a time untill I know how my corals react.
 
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Ill be followin this one sounds interesting John:) Was the Ca expected to be around 370? I find that kinda iteresting since its on the lower end compared to some and the pH was pretty high. Made me wonder if something affected the Ca and it bound chemically and inturn drove the pH up and became undetectable as a bicarbonate? I may be using the wrong term but I hope you get what Im trying to say.
Btw, is this the one that makes the brown foam? :D

Im still concerned after our last talk about borates in salt mixes. Do you know who are the ones that do not use this? Basically Im looking for a high Ca supplimented salt. Normally Id go out and buy Oceanic, but now Im afraid I may have been just a lucky oddball, although my last bout made me wonder, and now even more hesitant after seeing some slightly more controlled studies. And Im not sure if they use borate at higher than NSW either.

-Justin
 
as far as test kits have you tried using a different kit?.. I have heard from other big time european companies (noy going to mention names) that Salifert is actually the cheapest brand of test kits in Europe and that there are better test kits offered i.e. ELOS Brand as an example.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8584707#post8584707 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishsoldseprtly
as far as test kits have you tried using a different kit?.. I have heard from other big time european companies (noy going to mention names) that Salifert is actually the cheapest brand of test kits in Europe and that there are better test kits offered i.e. ELOS Brand as an example.

For Ca, Mg, and Alk, I have used various test kits from Hagen and Aquarium Pharmaceuticals but find that Salifert are the easiest and quickest to use. They are also adequately accurate. I have tested them (Ca and Mg) against standards purchased from Hach . I like a simple titration test as it is much easier to tell an end point than trying to read color charts. In order to make packaging reasonable in size and aid in the quickness of the test, sample and titration sizes are too small for extremely accurate tests, but in my judgment accurate enough for aquarium use. Again I don't know what the perceived problem is with Salifert tests but I am happy with them.
 
I haven't been out to Yourreef lately, but they used to have it for a pretty good price. Give John a call and see how much he wants for them.
 
I have compared salifert with some other brands as well. For ease of use and accuracy, hands down favorite for me. Not to mention price. For how many tests you get for the money..........

I have not checked your reefs prices yet. I have always got them form marine depot.

Robert
 
I just mixed a fresh batch of Red Sea Salt (mixing for 24 hours), and here is what I have:

kH=7.4
Ca = 320
Mg 1050
ph=7.86

Edit: My mistake. I just realized that this container was a mixture of Red Sea and IO.
 
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If I want to raise my Alk, Mg and Ca - should I do it in a specific order? I was thinking I should raise my Alk first, then Mg, and then Ca. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9007924#post9007924 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefugee
If I want to raise my Alk, Mg and Ca - should I do it in a specific order? I was thinking I should raise my Alk first, then Mg, and then Ca. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I would bring the Mg up so the Ca can be utilized or added if need be, then check the alk.

-Justin
 
I could be wrong but from what I understand depending on how the Ca gets utilized within your system and how it reacts to Ca being added may inadvertantly change the alk.

-Justin
 
That's interesting. I didn't know there were two different Red Sea Salt. What's the difference between the two?

Minh
 
they have the regular Red Sea and they have the Coral Pro Red Sea, thats what I use and everything checks out fine. You might want to look into it Minh. I know that when I use the Coral Pro it gives me a calcium of 450ppm like it states. Also Mag checks out at 1200, PH at 8 and DKH at 11
 
When Eric B did a presentation at our meeting, he mentioned Red Sea Salt. I had assume it was the following:

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(image from http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=4868&N=2004+113009)


Am I using the right salt?
 
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