My First Photoshopped PIC... Taken with Rebel XSI

Re: My First Photoshopped PIC... Taken with Rebel XSI

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clownfish2.jpg
 
The selective coloring looks about right I guess, except for the orange light under the fish. The fish is soft, and I can definitely tell where you over-blurred some particles as well.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14780984#post14780984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer
The selective coloring looks about right I guess, except for the orange light under the fish. The fish is soft, and I can definitely tell where you over-blurred some particles as well.

Thanks FishyBiz for posting the pics for me.

How could I get a clearer image? I've tried almost every setting.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14781048#post14781048 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer
There is no exif so I can't tell what settings you used. Posting an exif-enabled image would help me with that stuff.

Here it is...

info.jpg
 
Strange, everything looks pretty reasonable. maybe your lens is front focusing?

At 55mm f/5.6 your lens will preform at its worst. It isn't a stellar lens to start with...but it should certainly preform better than that. I am puzzled actually. Your shutter speed is more than reasonable at 1/160 and the aperture of f/5.6 @ 55mm should provide for plenty of depth of field. Check if your lens is front focusing with a "battery test".

Get 5 batteries and line them up 1 after the other 2 inches apart. Stagger them so you can see half of each battery when viewed from the front. Set your camera to 50mm f/5.6 and (using a tripod) take a picture focused on the center battery. Make sure you are a few inches back from the minimum focus distance.

Do the same at 18mm f/3.5
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14782242#post14782242 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer
Strange, everything looks pretty reasonable. maybe your lens is front focusing?

At 55mm f/5.6 your lens will preform at its worst. It isn't a stellar lens to start with...but it should certainly preform better than that. I am puzzled actually. Your shutter speed is more than reasonable at 1/160 and the aperture of f/5.6 @ 55mm should provide for plenty of depth of field. Check if your lens is front focusing with a "battery test".

Get 5 batteries and line them up 1 after the other 2 inches apart. Stagger them so you can see half of each battery when viewed from the front. Set your camera to 50mm f/5.6 and (using a tripod) take a picture focused on the center battery. Make sure you are a few inches back from the minimum focus distance.

Do the same at 18mm f/3.5

Cool, I'll do it tonight when I get home from work.
 
I would say you are just missing the focus point all together but I don't think the DOF would be that narrow. How close were you to this fish?
 
Please post your battery test photos... i've only recently read about the focusing problems some autofocus systems have, and I am curious to learn more... espically about this test.. given the only thing I read was about a "tool" you buy... this sounds way cheaper... and likely as effective...

TitusvilleSurfer, this front/rear focusing issue can come from the body and/or a given lens is that correct?
 
It can come from both. Lets pretend the five lines represent how far off the mark they are.
This would be perfect
body .-----.
lens .-----.

This would be a little off, but close enough to go out the door of the factory and sold. If you get a body that back focuses and a lens that front focuses the same increment...they can cancel eachother out.
body -.----. (the DOF will be closer than it should be)
lens .----.- (the DOF will be farther away than it should be)
They are both off, but opposite directions, resulting in a perfect result.

You may get something like
body -.----.
lens -.----.
Instead of canceling eachother out, they both contribute to the problem and amplify the effects.

This may (or not) be what is happening to the OP. The body and lens are both front focusing. One is front focusing way out of spec and really causing a ruckus.
body .----.-
lens .--.---

It should be noted that this condition would be extremely rare and unlikely. Many people go way overboard thinking their equipment is out of spec when in reality, it isn't.
The new cameras, such as the 50D, have an adjustment to correct for minor front and back focusing. Lets say your quiver of lenses looks something like this. You can tell the body to back focus or front focus on purpose, compensating for the lens! The body will remember the lenses and automatically use your configurations with each.
lens .----.- body -.---.
lens -.----. body .----.-
lens .---.-- body --.---.

The OP's XSi does not have this feature, so if this is the problem, he can send his stuff to Canon. If he sends just the lens, they will correct it to spec. -.----., .-----., and .----.- are all considered in spec. If the lens is .----.- off, they won't do anything and just send it back because while the lens may not be PERFECT, technically there isn't anything wrong with it.
If Canon sends just the body, they will correct for that but the lens could still be way off. If the OP sends both body and lens, they will change both to work perfectly together. Canon got tired of receiving entire quivers of 10 lenses and multiple cameras, so they gave us the power as long as the difference is marginal. If I have a .--.--- lens I would still send it in though.

**It should be noted that this illustration is 100% improve. I have never seen this information presented this way and I am not striving for technical accuracy...just explaining the core principles on their most basic level.
 
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Wow, thanks... I did do some of my own googling and found the link and tool i referred to above... I did not however, realize that different lens's could cause the same body to shift/change.... (I think thats what you said above...)

Detection Tool: http://www.rawworkflow.com/lensalign
Article: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/lensalign.shtml

While I agree it is a potential issue, i've not experienced it in my setup... Not all my photos are crisp, but I've gotten a few, when trying, to be spot-on, so I'm sure it's within acceptable ranges.


I would also think that this problem could have the largest effect on Macro Lens's given their already tiny DOF... Is this logic sound?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14785632#post14785632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer
I would say you are just missing the focus point all together but I don't think the DOF would be that narrow. How close were you to this fish?

I was about 2 feet away from the glass.

The fish was about 6 inches on the other side.
 
This is all really good info... I love this forum!

Sorry I didn't get a chance last night to get the battery test done.

As soon as I get home today I will do it and post the results. Then I guess you guys will be able to tell whether or not my camera/lens is front focusing?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14791179#post14791179 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hookup
Wow, thanks... I did do some of my own googling and found the link and tool i referred to above... I did not however, realize that different lens's could cause the same body to shift/change.... (I think thats what you said above...)

Detection Tool: http://www.rawworkflow.com/lensalign
Article: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/lensalign.shtml

While I agree it is a potential issue, i've not experienced it in my setup... Not all my photos are crisp, but I've gotten a few, when trying, to be spot-on, so I'm sure it's within acceptable ranges.


I would also think that this problem could have the largest effect on Macro Lens's given their already tiny DOF... Is this logic sound?
That is the same thing, just a little more scientific. I suggested the mad scientist method. If my lens completely failed the batter test, I think I would get one of those tools. More realistically I wold print out one of those sheets and glue it to an extra stiff cardboard box. With one of those sheets you can tell exactly where the DOF should have been and exactly where it is. The batteries just give you a general idea.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14791318#post14791318 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mhosts
This is all really good info... I love this forum!

Sorry I didn't get a chance last night to get the battery test done.

As soon as I get home today I will do it and post the results. Then I guess you guys will be able to tell whether or not my camera/lens is front focusing?
Make sure you google or youtube some videos of how to PROPERLY do this. If you don't do it right, your results will be misleading.
 
Use your focusing points... there is a way to set the specific auto-focus sensor/point you want to use... pick the mode that gives you "just the center", recompose with the center-only focus-point on the middle battery...
 
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