My first reef, 75g w/ 45g sump

Molli

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I like to read. One day while reading a magazine I exhausted all the freshwater content and decided to read back through it and hit the saltwater content. First thing I read was about pistol/goby pairs. I had to learn more. Enter Reef Central. I'll have you know that the massive backlog of old threads are a wonderful place for someone like me. I search something interesting and can click through pages and pages of opinions and facts on a particular subject. I began planning how too turn my then discus tank into a saltwater tank.

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It's a terrible picture, but you get the idea of their colors. They were gorgeous!

Anyway I read a thread there on local fish stores. Enter Jason's Tropical Reef Fish Store! I basically went there to check it out. Look at livestock in person and such. I wasn't disappointed. Jason was super helpful and full of advice, including Socalireefs.
My husband helped me build a stand. We used plans developed by an engineer here on RC. Neither of us are particularly adept at building things with wood, so we probably wasted a little more materials and did things a little harder than another with experience would have.
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The doors are mounted with drawer slides. I'm sure it's not that big of a leap for most of you to make, but for Johnny and me it was a break through. We wracked our little brains trying to think of a way to mount doors that would slide smoothly across the front. The 'aha!' moment was satisfying.
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Johnny says we could park my car on it. I feel pretty good about it.
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With the stand built I hit a snag. We had a chance to buy a house so we jumped on it. Reef tank on hold. Bought house. Renovated house extensively. New paint all over, new carpet, tear down nasty popcorn ceiling, install 2 new toilets, new water heater, run plumbing for washing machine to be inside instead of outside under house (seriously?). We sort of sat for a week or two in a kind of catatonic state after that. And then my husband that I love dearly said to me, "so what do you need to finish that tank?" So I ordered a glass hole saw, he bought me plumbing parts and glass for baffles and overflow and I started poking holes in my tank.
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The first hole plug.

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The water corraling contraption.

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And the first hole! I was very proud. It only took me 1 hour and 45 minutes. Ya. I have since discovered that going as fast as my little drill will go is ok after I get the initial groove and that still only got me down to about 30 minutes. I also had a hole that took me 2 hours. I suspect that my drill bit is of inferior quality.

Sump baffles were easy, and the first thing I've ever done with silicone. I got some little bubbles but I'm not terribly upset about them.
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And the finished sump!
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Figuring out how to prop up the glass for the overflow was fun stuff. The bottom of the box wasn't so bad, but how to hold the front piece in place while siliconing? I pulled out the tape measure. I needed something 3 and 7/8" tall. haha. I started measureing things in the room. A small jelly jar that I was using to hold water turned out to be exactly that.
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I also pressed my tea mug into service.
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And my epic siliconing job.
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That's all the reef stuff for now! This is my other tank ;)
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I've been working again! I've never done any plumbing in my life, thankfully it's not that tough. I guess we'll see how tough it is when I actually get to leak test it. But before we get on the shoddy plumbing pics, remember how pleased with myself I was for finding the perfect sized jelly jars to hold up my overflow glass? They're the perfect size alright... to never come out again. The trim of the tank wouldn't allow them to scoot out, and being the perfect size I coudln't tip them to slide them out. Husband's answer? SMASH!
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He stuck a glove behind them because he was worried flying glass could shatter the overflow. hehe :) He didn't let me empty the water from the one with water in it. I was going to, went and got the lil airline hose and was on the way back down the stairs... SMASH SMASH SMASH. Hmm, guess I don't need the hose anymore.
The aftermath:
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Poor little jelly jars. They were so hard working. They made the trip out from Arkansas when I moved out here, with jelly in them that my mother made! I'll have to ask her for more.
Here is what my overflow looks like from the front. I made it too wide I think, but at least I can stick my hand in it and move around. Good for cleaning.
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And the bulkheads
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The expensive spa-flex that I was loathe to cut at all.
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The first cut. Yes I get overly excited about every phase of my build and take a picture. Does it show?
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Here we are a bit later (and lots of fumes, though properly vented by fan out the window) I'm having trouble routing the return pump hoses without binding them up. I'm worried the stress on the bulkhead of the sump and the plastic housing of the pump will over time cause stress fractures or something. Am I over thinking it? The hose wants to curl, that's what is creating the binding.
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And last, here is my return dohicky.
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And the unrelated picture. Smudge lost interest in me finally and found her own entertainment.
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The solution to the binding issue and allowing the whole thing to be closer to the wall. I removed the spa flex going from the sump to the pump and replaced it with regular pvc, except for about 1/3 of it.
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Glued and ready to go!
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After all the gluing had sat for 24 hours, I decided it was time for the dreaded leak test. So I pulled the hose in from outside, attached a nozzle and turned on the water. I figured since I had a nozzle I could just turn on the water full blast because I could close it from inside without having to dash outside to turn it off when things got full. Anyone see where this is headed? By the time I made it back to the front door the hose had flipped out of the tank and was doing the crazy snake dance all over the downstairs. I didn't get any pictures because I was too busy wrestling crazy hyper snake hose back into the tank and then cleaning up the mess. Husband was outside digging a trench around the house, so luckily I got it cleaned up in time to think of a funny story type explanation for the damp carpet smell before he came back inside to ask how it was going. Now that I've got my first flood story out of the way... Here's the water right before filling the overflow.
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By the way, the hose on full blast filled my 75g that full in about 7 minutes. The hose blasted the room for about 2 minutes. I don't even want to think about how much water that was. Many towels. Many, many towels. Anywho, the only leak I had was the emergency drain bulkhead. I tightened and loosened it and removed it 4-5 times before getting lucky and finding some kind of 'sweet spot'. The leak is very small now, but still there! I can't figure out why it leaks. Weirdly it's the only pipe I can easily remove if I really needed to. I'm hoping salt creep or mineral deposits will seal it eventually. The drains work exactly like they're supposed to! I don't know why I'm surprised, I copied a well known design that has been proved to work. lol
With the leak test finished, I can play with my rockwork! woot!
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What do you guys think? Critique? The tower on the left is for a future anenome hopefully, failing that I'll put some fast growing thing there that would otherwise take over all the rockwork if it weren't isolated. On that note, if I put pulsing xenia on that rock, can it spread anywhere else or is it isolated there?
 
You seem to be making a good start. I also used horizontal drawer slides to mount my stand doors. I find it easier for the doors to move out sideways then to open straight out. I'm glad someone else had the same idea. I like the rockwork.
 
Molli, looks great, I would go back and make sure that your overflow does not leak at all, it could get worse. Also the whole setup is great looking, what king of skimmer you going to go for? What type of rock is that, the rock work looks great depending on the light you are going for, personally I would build up the side and keep the center low. Keep it up.
 
Yay, feedback!

You seem to be making a good start. I also used horizontal drawer slides to mount my stand doors. I find it easier for the doors to move out sideways then to open straight out. I'm glad someone else had the same idea. I like the rockwork.

Thank you :D The only issue I've run into so far with the sliding doors is space consideration. Nothing can sit next to the tank unless it's narrower and the tank has to be a certain distant from the wall to be able to make full use of the door.

Molli, looks great, I would go back and make sure that your overflow does not leak at all, it could get worse. Also the whole setup is great looking, what king of skimmer you going to go for? What type of rock is that, the rock work looks great depending on the light you are going for, personally I would build up the side and keep the center low. Keep it up.

I can still reach the leaky bulkhead even with the tank pushed into it's final place. I'm sure I'll still be messing with it later. :( The skimmer I got is a berlin x2. Since I got it I've read that they aren't that great, but I suppose it will do until I can get another one. I allowed room in the skimmer section of the sump for a larger one later.
I bought the rock from marco rocks at the last reefapalooza here in Los Angeles. It's very light for it's size. I have some live rock to be ordered soon, and I think I will do as you say and build up the right to match the left a little more with a lower center. And I may yet take it all apart again. Because I can.
If you have any more thoughts please share, at this point I can only benefit from those with more experience!
 
What light setup are you going to use? Any plans on a phosphate reactor? Also I think your skimmer will do just fine, dont pay for the name brand stuff when off brand works just as good. Your getting close to filling it up with water, yeah cycle.
 
What light setup are you going to use? Any plans on a phosphate reactor? Also I think your skimmer will do just fine, dont pay for the name brand stuff when off brand works just as good. Your getting close to filling it up with water, yeah cycle.

I'll be using a 4 bulb t5 ho fixture. No reactors yet. The tank has been filling since the 3rd. It's almost there!
 
Are you going to put a net over your overflow because you didn't use strainers? I had mine like yours and I always get snails that go into the drain pipes and down in the sump. I had a starfish do that as well but he didn't live through it :(.
 
The elbows are less than 1/4" off the bottom of the overflow, can things get into that? I'd have to go measure it to get the exact, but it's a really small area.
 
You could get some rain gutter material from a bigbox hardware store and put it around the drain pipes, or along the entire overflow.
 
The tank filled Sunday night. I ran it with only freshwater until around 3am on Monday when I started adding salt. Yup, I'm weird like that. I finished adding the last 8 cups of salt Tuesday morning. I was very excited to be adding salt. About cup 20 or so, the novelty wore off. It's lots of fun watching salt dissolve in your sump, being kicked around by the return flow. It's even more fun if you put little cuttings of pvc pipe you had leftover and watch them scoot around the bottom of the tank bulldozing the salt around. See? weird. I'm going to have tons of fun watching my CuC scoot around in the near future.
I figured out how to use my refractometer. I've been intimidated by it since my husband bought it off of amazon back in Nov. I finally read the directions. Then I felt silly. Put some water on the glass, look at a light. Read the line. Wow, that was easy! I don't even need reagents! No booklet of instructions to consult each time I need to use it. Just drip, close the cover, look, wipe clean. Enough text. On with the pictures! Because you know how picture happy I am.

Here's the sump with the pump off. Plenty of extra room. I could add more if I really wanted too, but then the flow would be over the baffles with the pump on. Note the jar in the return chamber. When the water level is much lower the pump creates a bubble vortex.. horizontally across the chamber! It twirls it so perfectly that I thought it was a piece of clear airline hose. I put the jar in to keep it from being able to do that. Then I found that adding more water (to the proper level) also stopped the vortex of air-sucking doom. I've just been too lazy to remove the jar. Also, I plan to leave it for when I invite some soon-to-be beginner salties over to see my progress. I'm going to tell them the jar prevents the pump from being noisy. Perhaps I can start a fad and everyone will have jars in the sump. Ya, just kidding.
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Yay, rocks, water and blue light! haha. I only turn on the lights for pictures. Because there is nothing alive in there!
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The wiring of the ATO. I bought kit online, complete with instructions. Just buy your own pump and extension cord and be willing to hack up the extension cord. Ok, so there was no real hacking. I've done wiring before, in fact, recently we replaced every outlet in our house, so it wasn't really scary. It's just fun to pretend.
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I didn't get any pictures rigging this thing up, but it involves dipping the plastic strip in boiling water and then quickly molding it how you want it to hold your float switches. Fun stuff sticking your fingers to something that was recently in boiling water.
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Here it is with the pump. I've since moved it over to the side to keep the flow from swinging the switch and making it bob.
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This is the box that came with the kit. It's for stuffing the relay and all your wiring into. Directions said to use a hobby knife to cut a hole. Sure thing. Always have a 'hobby knife' on me.
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Now just have to hold all this crap down so I can get the lid on.
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The ATO test reservoir.
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This morning when I came down to check on the tank (still expecting catastrophic failure, since I did the plumbing and hole cutting and whatnot) the ATO was sucking air. I thought the hose had come out of the butter tub, but no it had sucked everything up and the sump was down 1/2". I thought there was no way it had evaporated that much, so I did a VERY thorough leak check. Nothing. No leak anywhere. So I added half a butter tub of water. It sucked it up and needed more. This butter tub won't do. So, I upgraded.
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That should hold it through the night.

Also, I carried down a full jug like that and set it on a cushoin-y foot stool. I did a wobble test, decided it was safe and sat down on the floor in front of the sump. The jug was 2-3 feet behind me. Busy peering into the sump doing my leak check, I nearly came out of my skin when the thing fell off the stool and gave me a cold splash. I lost about half a gallon to the carpet. The cat was sitting where the jug had been. I think she pushed it. She also runs off with whatever I'm trying to work on if it's small enough. Drill bits, screws, wire nuts, pieces of wood I'm using to shim the stand, if it's been in my hands in the last few seconds and I put it down it's fair game. She's trying to sabotage me. You'd think she'd be all for a tank full of sushi.
 
Great, good call on the ATO, if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for it? Also I think your cat is trying to sabotage you, be careful, those cats are sneaky!
 
I don't mind at all, I paid $40 without the pump and extension cord. I'm using an aqualifter as the pump, and if you want to know where I purchased the kit, I think you can pm me. I don't think they're a sponsor here, don't want to break any rules.
 
Looks like you are off to a good start. Just curious what are you going to stock it with(I might of missed this in earlier post.) One concern with the snails and stuff getting in over flow would be it getting stopped up. If your over flow gets stopped, your Return pump will empty your sump, which will in turn empty your ATO, which if not careful will over flow your tank. You might have planned for this and once a again I missed it. You might also want to move your thread to the Large reef tank section. I do not think you have to but this is the DIY section. You might get more followers and feedback in the large reef tank area. Once again I think yall are off to a great start and it looks good. Just MHOs and some stuff to think about. Either way I am subscribing, I want to see the finished product.
 
I'm not worried about snails stopping up my overflow. The flow over the box is very thin, and the distance between the intakes of the drains and the bottom of the box is also very thin, less than 1/4". I'm also using the beananimal overflow, so there are 3 drains to stop up :) Not saying it can't happen, but I don't think it will.

I worked out my fish list with the help of Snorvich.
1 Pair M and F Yellow watchman gobies
2 firefish
1 orange back fairy wrasse
1 White banded Possum wrasse
1-2 pistol shrimp
1 Mandarin (8 months from cycle)

How do I move my thread? I looked around to see where tank builds were when I started it, and saw a few in here so I went for it.
 
LOL. Honestly I do not know how to move it. I think a Mod had to do it. That sounds like a good stocking list. I noticed you were using bean overflow. Snails was just an example of what could stop up over flow. Other possible things could include algae, salt build up, dead fish(Hope you never have one but it does happen). Just keep a close eye on it. If you are confident with it then you are good to go.
 
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