My first reef! Planning stage underway!

Tilian

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Hi, let me introduce myself, my name's Tilian (well not really, but my online name is anyway:)). I've spent the last 6 weeks or so obsessively reading, researching, watching YouTube (till 4am!) and planning for my first reef build!

About 12yrs ago I had a 72g heavily planted freshwater tank that I loved working on. Well as usual, life got in the way and eventually that tank developed a leak and I never started it back up again. Now that some time has passed (and I've paid off all my debt!) I think it's time to dive back in! I wonder if you guys could take a look at my plan and offer some feedback. Want to make sure I'm on the right track.

My goal is to start with primarily LPS and softies with an occasional clam, anem and maybe an SPS frag or two. I'll certainly have some fish, but I'm really more interested in the corals and inverts. I'll tell you now, I love the inverts"¦ crabs, starfish, cucumbers, etc. I know I have to be a bit careful selecting them but I'd prefer not to exclude them in lieu of fish.

A couple of other top priorities is a controller with an Ipad app (Apex"¦ yes I'm a computer nerd turned reef nerd!) and full LED lighting (controlled by the APEX of course). I want to automate as much as I can within my budget. Speaking of budget"¦ from top to bottom, including initial livestock and new tank and stand, my budget is $5000. Initially I thought that wouldn't be any problem but it's been tougher than I thought to stick to that number. I'm not a huge DIY'r!

So here's the plan"¦
Tank and stand: 120g (48X24X24) "“ I'll be drilling it myself for a BeanAnimal, C2C overflow. I'm planning on making the overflow myself. Tank and stand are $650 new from LFS.

Sump: 40g breeder with DIY baffles"¦ planning as large a refugium (with Miracle Mud) as I can get away with. Figure this will run me around $150 to build. I'm budgeting $200 for plumbing including a gate valve for the full siphon drain and I plan on using a mix of PVC and flex tubing (with appropriate unions and gate valves included). I plan on using 1" drains and dual ¾" returns. On the returns I'll use two lockline Y fittings so I can have 4 separate returns into the tank to help supplement my internal flowrate. I plan on using a Mag 12 return pump ($145).

Internally I'm going to start with 3 Maxijet 1200's and use the APEX to randomize the flow. This was one of my price concessions"¦ eventually I'd like a pair of MP40s but they won't fit in the budget at the moment. ($900 in MP40s vs $75 in Maxijets). I think that the 3 MJ1200s along with the 700-800gph I hope to get out of the sump should suffice.

Skimmer: ASM G-3 with Sedra 5000 pump ($285"¦ seemed the biggest bang for the buck). I'll also be getting a dual reactor for BRS for carbon and GFO (with a MJ1200 pump"¦ $85 combined).

Controller: Full blown APEX with a breakout box"¦ $540. Going with the big APEX since it has built in 4 channel LED controller. Will also use it for an ATO system (hence the break out box) including Kalk dosing there. I'll upgrade to a 3 part system with dosing pumps later down the road (again, budget issues)

I'll use the APEX to control my LEDs"¦ planning this DIY solderless kit from rapidLED"¦ $500: http://www.rapidled.com/standard-solderless-90g-tank-dimmable-kit/

My water mixing plans are a BRS 5 stage Chlorimines plus (yes, my frigging city uses Chloromines!) 75gpd RO/DI unit. I found a guy here that can get me used 55g plastic storage drums for $30 a piece (use to store Sorghum). A heater and another MJ1200 should round it off. A couple float switches and some creativity and I think I can get fairly automated for around $330.

For liverock I'm planning 80# of BRS reef saver dry rock and 50# of this Rock Around the World Combo Pack from saltwaterfish.com. I like that pack since it's live rock from 4 different regions so I'm hoping for some extra diversity in critters"¦ should make for good seed for the dry rock. Combined the rock will run me around $360.

For my sandbed I'm planning a 1-2" bed for Oceandirect Oolite livesand for about $170. Was seriously thinking about a DSB but ultimately decided to wait till I had more experience (and more cash). Maybe on my next tank. Like I said, I like my inverts and unfortunately they like to eat all the things that make a DSB safe. :headwalls:

Will also be setting up a QT tank for around $80.

So with all that and my budget for misc. items (salt, test kits, media, heaters, tools, drill bits, glass panels, etc) my costs before livestock came out to $4600. That will leave me $400 for some critters once things are up and running.

Sorry for the long post, I know you guys like details but in re-reading this I may have gotten carried away! Let me know your thoughts.
 
Sounds like you have it planned out really well, the only change I think I would make would be the sand. There really is no need to use live sand, your live rock will populate any sand that you get. And what are the odds that anything live will actually stay alive in a closed bag and no heat?

I know it's a small savings but you can put that extra money towards livestock.

Other than that, like I said, it seems you have really thought this out well.
 
Looks like w well designed plan. A couple notes FWIW

You can save money on the sump if you want by finding a used 40g on CL. People give them away for free/ throw them out if you look hard enough, but you should be able to get one for no more than $20. You can get panes of acrylic for baffles at Lowes or HD that will only be another $30-40 for baffles so you can be under budget there.

I would suggest the cobalt 1200 for the BRS reactor, if not a mag3. I tried a regular MJ 1200 and it wasnt strong enough.

Also for pumps korelias are not very expensive but function very well and are reliable for the money. You may be better off with two 1400s until you get an the mp40s.

Just thoughts. good luck
 
Looks like w well designed plan. A couple notes FWIW

You can save money on the sump if you want by finding a used 40g on CL. People give them away for free/ throw them out if you look hard enough, but you should be able to get one for no more than $20. You can get panes of acrylic for baffles at Lowes or HD that will only be another $30-40 for baffles so you can be under budget there.

I would suggest the cobalt 1200 for the BRS reactor, if not a mag3. I tried a regular MJ 1200 and it wasnt strong enough.

Also for pumps korelias are not very expensive but function very well and are reliable for the money. You may be better off with two 1400s until you get an the mp40s.

Just thoughts. good luck
+1 on all this

may need a bit bigger than 1400s from koralia but they definitely make a good powerhead.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys...

So I looked at both the Korelia and MJ1200 pumps and one of the reasons I went with the MJs was that they did pretty well with the constant on/off cycles of a wavemaker. Are the Korelias just as tolerant?

As for the sump budget... yeah, I've been checking CraigsList for a used one for a while... haven't seen one yet but hopefully it will pop up. As for the baffles, I've got a local glass shop here that should do them pretty cheap for me... along with the glass for the C2C box. Since I didn't have the exact measurements yet, I just estimated my costs on the high side on those to be safe.

Thanks again guys on the input, much appreciated!
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys...

So I looked at both the Korelia and MJ1200 pumps and one of the reasons I went with the MJs was that they did pretty well with the constant on/off cycles of a wavemaker. Are the Korelias just as tolerant?

As for the sump budget... yeah, I've been checking CraigsList for a used one for a while... haven't seen one yet but hopefully it will pop up. As for the baffles, I've got a local glass shop here that should do them pretty cheap for me... along with the glass for the C2C box. Since I didn't have the exact measurements yet, I just estimated my costs on the high side on those to be safe.

Thanks again guys on the input, much appreciated!

Well there are some Koralia controllable pumps as well...

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4586+18915&pcatid=18915
 
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Yeah, I looked at those too... the problem is they can ONLY be used with the controller... so controller plus two Koralia 4s runs $360. Those pumps max rate is 950gph and since the controller will alternate speeds, I would assume the total flow at any time would average 1100 or so.

The other options would be two Korelia 1400s ($120) and use the APEX as an on/off wavemaker. What I was concerned about was the fact that only 1 pump would be on at any given time so wouldn't the total flow rate be 1400gph?

The three MJ1200s with the APEX would keep two running at any given time... total flow at any time would be around 2000gph for $75.

Since I'm not planning on high-flow SPS anytime soon so I was hoping that the 2500-3000 gph flow would suffice for now.

It's all about where I want to spend the money... I'd hate to get it all set up and not be able to afford any coral :P

Thoughts?
 
A local club might be able to help you out too.

Join and ask around. Sometimes the people there have stuff they want to get rid of so they can upgrade too.

I’ll also be getting a dual reactor for BRS for carbon and GFO (with a MJ1200 pump
You might wnt ot break these into two separate ones, not connected, as then you can actually control the flow better. Yes.. you can connect them together for now and then seperate them later. Just a thought.

Shop around for the tank from the LFS... there might be another place on the outskirts that may be cheaper. Just call around.

Be careful with oolite... I have it and like it... But a loose cannon of a power-head will make a mess of things... hahaha
 
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