My fish are dying...:(

hcker99

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Hi All,

I'm having trouble keeping certain fish in my tank. I have a 34 gallon AquaEuro AIO and can grow corals like crazy but I'm having a real problem keeping fish. The tank has been up for 5-6 months now. I originally had a kole tang and 2 damsels (green chromis and azure). All of a sudden the kole got sick and died. My paramaters continued to stay perfect so i did a 10 gallon water change and continued to monitor the paramaters. Everything stayed fine so i chocked it up to just a sick fish. A week later i picked up a mated pair of Clarkii clowns that were great for the first couple days but I wake up this morning and the male is laying on the sand (still breathing but very heavy) and the female doesn't look much better. As of last night they were both eating brine but i tried feeding this morning and there not interested. I've posted some pics of her at

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I'm not sure what to do anymore. I think they may be to far gone but i'm not sure.

The odd thing about all of this is my CUC (including a starfish and cleaner shrimp) are all thriving and same for the corals. I figured if something was off in the tank the shrimp would be the first to go.


Please let me know your thoughts on what i can do to help my clowns and prevent this from happening again.

Is it possible that there is a disease in the tank that is only affecting certain fish?


Thanks
Mark S


PS. the green chromis is fine.
 
what are your water parameters? maybe do a nice water change and see what happens. Clows are ususlaly hardy fish so my guess is something is off in your tank. Its hard to tell from the pics, but do they look like they have a slimy coat on them or do you see any white spot (ich) on them?
 
Velvet is a fast killer. If it is that, then chances are your chromis will get it too. the treatment for it is copper which must be done in a qt. Also i know it has a life cycle in the main tank so keep it fishless for 8-9 weeks to completely get it out of your system.
 
1.) A quick FW bath, research 1st. 2.) QT & copper. You can't wait with this. Velvet is quick, very contagious, and very deadly. I'm convinced that a lot of velvet is mis-diagnosed as ich. Good luck, it is curable if you catch it in time.
 
1.) A quick FW bath, research 1st. 2.) QT & copper. You can't wait with this. Velvet is quick, very contagious, and very deadly. I'm convinced that a lot of velvet is mis-diagnosed as ich. Good luck, it is curable if you catch it in time.

What he said.

What is Oodinium?

Velvet or Coral Fish Disease is caused from an infestation of the dinoflagellate Amyloodinium ocellatum. The life cycle of Velvet is very similar to the life cycle of marine ich. This organism is parasitic on fish at one stage in its life cycle; during that stage it is visible to the naked eye. The total life cycle for this parasite approximates 3 weeks; but for total safety after a tank is infected two life cycles should be waited (six weeks). The life cycle is very similar to cryptocaryon irritans but the effect on fish is much more severe and kills much more quickly.

Due to the fact that this organism is able to reproduce so rapidly, when an Oodinum outbreak occurs in an aquarium and it is not immediately diagnosed and treated, in a closed saltwater system it can reach overwhelming and disastrous numbers in a very short period of time. This parasite is one of the most common causes of a tank wipe out, or an abrupt loss of all the fish in a saltwater aquarium. Often times by the time you notice the problem it is really too late.

The Life Cycle of Amyloodinium ocellatum

• Free-swimming cells called dinospores are released from a mature cyst and go in search of a host fish. Typically these cells can survive seven to eight days without a host, but in lower tank temperatures at around 75-80 degrees, some strains may last up to 30+ days. Raising the temperature will speed up the life cycle but it also reduces dissolved oxygen in your tank water. For fish with this parasite in their gills, this is an unfortunate treatment.
• Once a host is found, typically heading for the soft tissue inside the gills first, the dinospores lose their swimming capabilities and become non-motile parasitic trophozoites. At this stage they turn parasitic, as each attaches to the host fish by sending out a filament for feeding.
• After deriving nutrition for 3 days to a week the trophozoites become mature and drop off into the substrate, may remain hidden in the mucus membrane, or sometimes be deeply embedded in the tissue of a host fish, where at this point each forms a type of hard shell covering.
• Inside each encrusted cyst the cells, now called tomonts, reproduce internally by non-sexual division. Upon reaching maturity in about five days, each cyst ruptures and releases hundreds of new free-swimming dinospores to start the cycle all over again, but in much large numbers. This means that over time the effect is multiplied.

Symptoms

Most similarly symptomatic to Brooklynella, Oodinium organisms primarily attack the gills first. At the onset of this infestation fish often scrape up against objects in the aquarium, lethargy sets in, and rapid respiration develops, which is the result of excess mucus in the gills due to the invasion of the parasites. This is typically noticed as fish staying at the surface of the water, or remaining in a position where a steady flow of water is present in the aquarium such as near overflows or powerheads.

As the disease progresses outwards from the gills, the cysts then become visible on the fins and body. Although these cysts may appear as tiny white dots the size of a grain of salt, like the first sign of Saltwater Ich or White Spot Disease, what sets Oodinium apart from other parasites is that at this point the fish have the appearance of being coated with what looks like a whitish or tan to golden colored, velvet-like film, thus the name Velvet Disease.

Now in the advanced stage of the disease the production of gill and body mucus increases, the fish becomes listless, refuses to eat, and it's not unusual for a secondary infection to develop. For fish that reach this end stage of the disease, it's typically too late. They usually do not respond to treatment, and most often will die.

Most Effective Treatments for Oodinium

• Remove all fish from the main aquarium, give them a freshwater dip. Prepare a freshwater dip. For this dip, adjust pH (so as reduce more osmotic stress than need be) and add Methylene Blue (at double in tank strength), use a specific gravity of 1.001 for the saltwater fish. This dip should be no less than 3 minutes and no more than 5 minutes to be effective. This is very effective in removing Oodinium directly from the fish (including gills). Do not be alarmed if the fish ‘lays down’ and acts dead, this is a common initial reaction and the fish will usually perk up a minute or two into the dip. How this works is that the cell membrane of the Oodinium cyst cannot withstand the change in osmotic pressure as well as the fish and will burst, that is why the minimum three minutes is a must. This dip is more effective for Oodinium than Cryptocaryon even though this is recommended for both due to the fact that the Oodinium Cyst does not embed nearly as deep as the Cryptocaryon cyst does, allowing for a much more likely rupture of the cell membrane due to osmotic pressure.

Following a fresh water dip use a formalin bath, and then place them into a QT with vigorous aeration provided. To address complications from secondary infections, also treat the fish with an appropriate antibiotic or anti-bacterial medication. Continue treating the fish in the QT until the oodinium appears to be gone, and then keep treating for another week after that.
• Unfortunately, Oodinium can withstand a broad salinity range (from 3 to 45 ppt) so Hyposalinity is not an effective treatment.
• Treatment with copper is often the recommended course of action, however keeping copper exactly at the proper level is very difficult and infeasible for most aquarists which is why I prefer a freshwater dip followed by a formalin bath.

Preventing Reinfection

Reinfection will occur no matter how effectively the fish have been treated if the organisms are not eradicated from the main aquarium. Because they require a fish host to survive, this can be accomplished by keeping the tank devoid of any fish for at least six weeks. For fish-only aquariums the tank temperature can be elevated to 85 to 90 degrees to speed up the life cycle of the organisms, which will help to eliminate all cysts and dinospores in three weeks. Note do not raise temperature in a tank that still contains fish
 
How are your damsels? they can be extremely aggressive fish...you either have a fish disease or those damsels are killing the other fishies...
 
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