My fish are fighting something and I have no idea what.

Banff

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Ok, I know the drill, so parameters and system specs first.

180 gallons, has been up and running for a year but is a consolidation of multiple smaller long-established tanks. 55 gallon sump with fuge, skimmer, etc. Apex controlled, ATO, etc. Water is 0 TDS through a 5 stage RO/DI, IO reef crystals to 1.025 (refractometer). Lighting is a Hamilton Technology Cebu Sun fixture with 3x250W MH lamps and 4x80W T5s. Flow is via return plus 2 Vortech MP40's. GFO reactor, 16% weekly water change.

Parameters are run weekly, most recent values below:
Temp: 79.4
PH: 8.15
Phosphate: 0.034 ppm (Hanna checker)
Nitrate: 7.5 ppm (yeah I know it's high but it's normal for this tank)
Calcium: 460 ppm
Magnesium: 1305 ppm
Alkalinity: 8 dKH

Stock list

Sailfin Tang (5 inches)
Hippo Tang (6 inches)
Yellow Tang (5 inches)
Green Chromis (2.5 inches)
Sharpnose puffer (a canthigaster puffer of uncertain species, 4 inches)
Pair of hybrid occ/perc clowns (2.5 to 3 inches)
Target mandarin dragonet (2.5 inches)
Pair of royal grammas (2.5 inches and 1 inch)
2 springeri damsels (1 inch)
Stippled clingfish (2.5-3 inches)
War paint goby (1.5 inches)

Last fish added was over 6 months ago.

We have a mixed reef with everyone from soft corals to SPS and anemones. Nothing major added recently.

4 days ago we noticed the mandarin acting atypically. He was doing a weird repetitive "twitch" thing that looked neurological (not trying to scratch against rocks or anything purposeful). We've had this fish at least 18 months, he hunts pods all day but also happily eats frozen mysis and even pellets. He is fat. Anyway, we observed him for a bit and saw him go back to typical pod-hunting behavior. When I got home from work the next day, he was leaning up against some rocks at the bottom. Husband thought but he was dead but I could see his gills and mouth moving. He evaded capture briefly but was clearly having trouble keeping his body oriented upright and was weak. We put him into a hospital tank with fresh saltwater and an airstone. The pump that is part of our AIO hospital tank created too much flow and he would tumble, so we killed the flow. He has no physical damage on him, no discoloration, no wounds, bumps, spots, nothing. I fully expected him to die but was unsure what to even treat him for. All other fish acting normal at this point and none of them showing any bumps, spots, damage, etc. He spent the first 24 hours almost entirely upside down. 2 days later and he is now swimming properly (but a bit weakly) and has accepted food (as of a few hours ago). An hour ago I looked in my display and my stippled clingfish (we've had him 2 years) is out in the open on the sandbed in full light. This is unusual behavior, he is usually only out at night. I each in to give him a little poke and he weakly evades and then attempts to swim but is upside down!

I pulled him out and dropped him into the hospital tank but I have no clue what's happening. He too shows no signs of infection or illness. Normal body weight, etc.

The majority of my corals are doing fine but a number of my mushrooms look unhappy and a couple of my euphyllia seem upset. I've had several dead snails over the last few weeks and a dead serpent star (either injury or something else that caused a hole in the body). We removed it and attempted to treat but it died. We had that star for over 2 years.

Other inverts like crabs and shrimp are fine and acting normal. Conches are fine. Urchins are fine.

This feels like a contaminant situation to me. I just put a bunch more carbon online and I'm doing a large water change. Any other thoughts?
 
My fish are fighting something and I have no idea what.

What type of foods are you feeding? Dosing anything?

Have someone else clean the house?

Added anything to the tank recently?

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We dose B-Ionic 2 part calcium and also b-ionic magnesium. Acropower weekly. Nothing new in the tank (a couple of frags of this and that over the last couple of months, nothing weird or even uncommon, also nothing that isn't a coral type we already keep).

To my friends from the anemone forum, the new Ritteri (H. Magnifica) is not in the display yet, it's still in a QT (separate water system) and staying there until I figure out what's happening in the DT.
 
Also, no one else cleaning the house. Food is varied but it is consistent. So no brand switch-ups, but it's frozen PE Mysis, LRS, Sprung's seaweed, Spectrum pellets, selcon.
 
So I'm leaning towards dinoflagellates. I have an outbreak of what I thought was diatoms on my sand which I thought was just a mini-cycle from some minimal rock re-arrangement I did a few weeks ago. After doing a day or two of internet research on the symptoms and subtypes of wildlife going wrong in my tank, I kept stumbling across people with dinoflagellate problems. Some species of which can release significant amounts of palytoxin into the water column. Dinoflagellates will settle on your sand and rockwork during lights on but are up and motile in the water column during the night. I took a flashlight to my tank in the middle of the night last night and the sandbed is clean as a whistle during light's out.

Mandarin, still in hospital tank, not treated with anything, appears almost completely recovered. Clingfish is showing signs of recovery but slowly. I have a stunned-acting conch and a stunned-acting turbo snail that I am going to place in a fresh saltwater environment to see if they recover. All of this looks to me like it's slamming my bottom and rock-dwelling grazers which would make sense if dinos are my issue. Thoughts?
 
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