My Greenwater + Copepod Technique

mwp

In Memoriam
A couple folks asked me to post more details about my attempts to utilize a greenwater technique with SS-Strain Rotifers and assorted copepods as a way to potentially rear more difficult species (such as Mandarins, smaller Gobies, Pelagic Cardinalfish etc...).

Let me start off with the "base" cultures. All are cultured at room temperature, which ranges from approximately 68F to 73F. All cultures are kept at roughly full strength saltwater, SG of 1.023 to 1.025 or so. Photoperiod is roughly 16 light / 8 dark. ALL cultures are lit with 4 48" 40 watt daylight flourescents from above..roughly 18" overhead and to one side. The phytoplankton cultures have an additional 48" shop light shining in from the side....currently only 1 bulb is burning, a 50/50 I believe. The basic culture station is actually an orchid growing rack. My phyto is on the top shelf, my zooplankton is on the bottom shelf. Tetra luft pumps run the things!

For Phytoplankton, I'm currently culturing Nannochloropsis, Tetraselmis and T-Iso (Tahitian Isocrysis). I finally obtained a Nannochloris starter disk and will be restarting Nannochloris in the next week or so. Up until this point in the 'experiment', I've just been utilizing the first 3 algae types. All phyto is cultured with the "traditional" F2 media in 2L bottles. I've recently switched from microwave sterlization to 12 drops of bleach per 2L of new culture water for the phyto...dechlored with 15 drops Novaqua Plus...seems to be working well. For Phyto culture starter sources:

Nannochloropsis and Tetraslemis - www.florida-aqua-farms.com

T-Iso - www.seahorsesource.com

I'm working with SS-Strian Rotifers I procured from another site member. I don't believe he's selling them, but I know starter cysts of B. rotundiformis can be purchased from www.seahorsesource.com. I run 3 2L bottle cultures of SS-Strain Rots...at any given moment one of the 3 is usually in some state of collapse....they're a bit more finicky than regular L-Strain rots. The SS Rots get fed roughly 3 oz of stored phytoplankton, a mix of all 3 types on hand, whatever happens to be in surplus and has been stored in the fridge (usually only sits around a few days before being fed).

I have 3 copepods in culture. The first is the Tiggerpod, the largest of the 3. Tiggerpods can be obtained through many LFS's and are a Reed product - www.reed-mariculture.com. Tigriops californicus I believe is the scientific name. I found out that this species of copepod, while bulky, big, and spiny, has "juveniles" that are actually free swimming...if this is true, that means that the nauplii and copepodites are actually up in the water column, available as food (provided they're not too large or spikey). My tiggerpod cultures are mixed with L-Strain rotifers...they actually kinda 'move around' between my 5 L-Strain cultures, always blooming in one or another. I do them in gallon milk jugs (shhh ED!) and have found they do better when the jug is not filled to the top, but rather filled anywhere as long as it has the largest surface area possible (lower 2/3 of the bottle max). These cultures are also fed a mixture of all 3 phyto species, roughly 3 fl. oz.

The 2nd copepod is a benthic type that likely "infested" my L-Strain cultures coming from the reef tank. They are small copepods, most of them are not much larger than big rotifers. The appear white and like to sit on the glass of my tanks. They get the same treatment as the Tiggerpods. Basically, we probably ALL have these little copepods in our reef tanks, so getting some off the glass at night is probably all it would take to start up your own culture.

The last cultures are Acartia tonsa. Luis was very helpful in getting my cultures going. One of Luis's biggest suggestions was to culture them at 1.010, and only feed T-Iso. Apparently, this calanoid copepod (always swimming in the water column) is actually a temperate species as well. In any case, I've gradually adjusted these guys to full strenght saltwater and they're blossoming. I feed again, 3 oz. of phyto daily to the 2 2L cultures I have going. The difference is that they do NOT get any Nannochloropsis. Luis says it can kill them, and I've heard other similar reports about Nannochloropsis negatively impacting some copepods. Tetraselmis hasn't been a problem however, so both Tet and T-Iso get fed to the Acartia tonsa cultures. Acartia tonsa starter cultures are listed as available (pricey but probably worth it) at www.seahorsesource.com. I gotta say, these are REALLY cool pods...slightly larger than baby brine shrimp as adults. Probably much more beneficial to late stage larvae, and the nauplii of A. tonsa would probably be great for the tiniest of larvae.

So that's what I have roaming around here at the moment. Next post - the experimental "technique".

Matt
 
The Greenwater + Copepod experiment

The Greenwater + Copepod experiment

So here's what I've been doing. For a while there I had 2 empty larval tanks. Instead of sterlizing them, they just sat fallow for a while. My other issue is that if I relied on ANY of my zooplankton cultures to feed a small army of larvae, I'd rapidly run out of rots and copepods!

The working theory went down like this. Take the empty larval tank, set it up and SEED it with all 3 species of copepods + SS Strain Rotifers. Feed it fresh phytoplankton daily....basically trying to establish large numbers of all pods and rots in one big stable & well heated co-culture. Simply "let it go"...i.e. tiggerpods have a life cycle of 28 days or so...it can take time to get a sizeable population established.

Eventually, the water clears daily. In my attempts so far, rotifers have rapidly outpaced the copepods (of course) which has required some careful seiving and water changing to keep their population in check, returning only adult copepods (120 micron sieve is helpful). If this isn't enough, I cut back on my phyto feedings...the copepods can go for a few days without food, but the rotifers start kicking the bucket fast. In future attempts, it may be wiser to NOT add the rotifers in at the beginning, but only after the copepod species have established.

In any case, eventually what I ended up with was a big "mix" of the most suitable live foods in an empty 10 gallon tank. All it took from that point was to simply maintain the culture, feeding daily etc. Ammonia builds up, but doesn't seem to be too much of a problem.

I officially got to try this out on my first clownfish hatch. All I did was to drain the tank, seiveing the siphoned water through 23 micron. I returned all the zooplankton, along with broodstock water, to the tank. So now it's clean, healthy water, that just so happens to have tons of copepods and SS rotifers ready to be consumed. The larvae went in later that evening without a single loss....after that I chucked in some fresh phyto (1L Nanno, tomorrow's dosing is T-Iso) and it's now an instant greenwater setup as most of you would think of it, with the exception of a healthy population of assorted copepods as well. Daily dosings of phytoplankton (1L freshly harvested per day) will keep the copepods and rotifers reproducing as well as keeping them "enriched". As with the GBG's, when it's time to wean them onto baby brine shrimp or prepared foods like otohiem, I'll slowly lay off the phytoplankton dosings over a few days before eventually discountinuing...at that point the larvae seem to consume most everything that doesn't starve.

While adult copepods are obviously too large for small larvae like Mandarins, the copepod's nauplii will be present in the tank. Granted, they may not be there in HUGE quantities, but between the SS rotifers and whatever copepods are produced, it should increase the odds that a species like the Mandarins will grow up successfully.

From what I can tell, my earlier success with the Greenbanded Gobies in a similar situation (had established populations of the Tiggerpods and NOID tiny pods), the adult copepods caused no problem with the larvae. Eventually, about the same time as I started to introduce enriched brine nauplii, the larvae were taking down larger pods swimming through the water column, and showed an active preference for swimming pods vs. the brine nauplii.

So I guess this experiment kind throws the notion of "first larval food" on it's head...it's a first larval "FOODS" (plural) concept. What we all read time and again is that rotifers alone don't work for many of the difficult larvae (i.e. Centropyge). The other thing we often read is that these difficult larvae require "calanoid copepod nauplii", but the problem with that is that it's truly difficult to produce enough copepod nauplii to feed even 1 small batch of larvae. Thus, the working theory of providing BOTH to the larvae. Copepods are said to have far superior nutrition.

It really doesn't end there though, the OTHER concept that gets tossed about is that larvae may not actually feed on EITHER the Rots or Cope. nauplii, but actually feed directly on the phytoplankton. To that end, including Tetraselmis and T-Iso, both MOTILE algae species, can only help.

In the end, this modified greenwater experiment may better recreate the actual conditions under which "tiny" pelagic larvae develop. Instead of ONE food source, this method provides as many as 7 different types of life (3 phytos, 3 copepods, 1 rotifer) to choose from as a "first food". It's a shotgun approach I'm working on for those species that don't really have a good success rate or known protocol for rearing. The fact that it's getting "tested" on clownfish is simply due to the fact that clowns are taking priority at the moment (revenue for next year as well as more "practice"). Hopefully the 20 GBG juvies will be grown out and in new homes soon...I'll then "reestablish" their 10 gallon tank (virtually stripped of every last copepod and rotifer) and most likely try the technique with Apogon leptacanthus. If it produces better results than last attempt at rearing that species, it'll be tried on the Mandarins or the Rusty Gobies. If THAT works, who knows what's next...

Matt
 
sounds good im going to have to seed my tank with some pods so i may try this and then start adding them to my tank.

this will help seed my tank and get my practice up as well

evrything sounds good so far. if your willing to try and bottle and ship some of what you had i wonder how hard it would be as starter kits
 
Matt,
I am intriqued with the bleach method of sterilizing your culture water. Is there an advantage to this over heat sterilizing?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8749292#post8749292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fin farm
Matt,
I am intriqued with the bleach method of sterilizing your culture water. Is there an advantage to this over heat sterilizing?

Yes, I'm not spending half a day nuking 20 2L bottles of culture water! Kathy and a few others coaxed me into trying it. I've been putting in 12 drops of generic bleach, and when it's time to use the water, dechlorinating with 15 drops Novaqua plus, shaking the water up well and letting it sit a few minutes before "topping off" a harvested culture.

FWIW,

Matt
 
so if i give you my fedex # how long will it take for you to get a starter culture setup and mailed out so i can get it into a 10g tank and start making myself some pods?
 
Well Keef, the deal is to culture everything seperately to use as "seed" for the 10 gallon pre-larval co-culture! Besides, shipping 10 gallons of culture ain't gonna be cheap ;) You won't need any of the pods for clowns as I mentioned earlier...although I don't *think* they'll hurt!

Matt
 
im just unsure of myself i guess you can say.

im going to go get 4 10gal tanks today and start them with one of those bubble filters with the sponge in it and going to get a few gallon jugs of distilled water also.

then i will go online but from someone whos doing this with success

what should i be ordering?
 
Keef, check your PM's. Equipment, if you need it, is best purchased from florida-aqua-farms.com...they have all the seives, some really nice 8 valve gang valves, as well as the F2 media for phytoplankton cultures. You can get starters of Nannochloropsis and Tetraselmis from them as well, althoug I tried their Isocrysis disks FOUR TIMES and never got a culture to take...

Matt
 
Keef, try again. I knew I had some pictures of my culture station running around..found them in the Mandarin log.

Phyto station

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Zoo station

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Matt
 
Great thread Matt ! Can you find Acartia in the 10 gal after all this time ? Doesn´t Nanno hurt them in your "open ocean" ?

Nice paphios !

Anderson.
 
Matt, I think I will give it a try.
Just a couple more questions. Was that 12 drops bleach in a 2L bottle or 5 gal bucket. Also, is the fertilizer in there as well, with the bleach.
What are the dark brown ones on the left side.
 
12 drops of bleach per 2L bottle to sterilize, along with 20 drops of microalgae grow. When it comes time to utilize the 2L's contents, I first add the 15 drops of Novaqua.

Anderson, that's a REALLY good question regarding the Acartia tonsa. My working presumption is that they'll selectively feed on what they need, restorting to Nannochloropsis cells only if they can't find anything else. It could also be that LONG TERM culture solely with Nannochloropsis is the problem. In any case, there are still some A. tonsa in the clownfish infested 10 gallon, but their numbers DO seem reduced following the first day feeding of only Nanno. I would think that instead of harvesting whatever is "ready", if I preharvested and stored a mix, that could be drip fed (2 L brine shrimp hatchers with a ball valve make excellent drip setups BTW...). Dripping would allow me to feed 1L worth of refridgerated phyto without any worries about temperature drops.

FWIW,

Matt
 
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