My hyposalinity failure

Grizlbits

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When I read the threads about hyposalinity with resistant strains threads I would have told you (until today) that those people did something wrong, wrong salinity, contamination, not enough time etc. I now have changed my tune in that Hypo doesn't work. :sad1:

Here is what I did for those of you considering hypo. I have a 400 gallon with sump. Purple, Naso (11"), mustard, Kole, Achilles Tangs, Scribble angel (died), crosshatch pair (male died last week - stopped eating), 4 cleaner wrasse, yellow head gobie, Golden, Pakistan butterfly.

The main tank has a great skimmer, great circulation, and a 40 gallon sump with filter bags, and a UV light. 96 long 42 high 24 deep. Normally a ton of live rock

60 gallon qt tank - I put some of the inverts (snails, urchins, shrimp) in here with no fish, started the 72 day wait.

125 tank - Usually dry saved for emergencies. I put all the live rock in here, and the rest of the inverts (7 sea stars, shrimp, etc). HOB filter, filled it with the rock and water from the display tank. The live rock filled this tank to 2/3 level. Started the 72 day wait.

360 - took out all the live rock in the display, all the LR in the sump and transferred to the 125. Took out almost all of the sand. Filled with a lot of PVC. Lowered salinity to 1.008 over a week. I used 5 different salinity monitors (2 refractometers, 2 swing arm - reference only, and a Neptune systems salinity probe). I calibrated all of them. I also did the math with exact calculations during the reduction in salinity. The math and the salinity matched my calculations on the way down. The tank is easy to calculate as 1" of height = 10 gallons. It also has a top off to keep the salinity level. I use only RO water preheated from the tank in the basement. It is pumped directly from the holding tank to the display. Originally had a bit of a spike in ammonia on day 4 of 1.008 salinity, but used Amquel and did water changed and it eventually settled down. I also cut feedings in half for the fish and feed lots of nori daily.

All signs of ick stopped in about 5-7 days of 1.008. Achilles tang had it the worst, and was now clean! I thought I nailed this. 5 weeks in of 1.008 male trigger stopped eating and died 1 week later. Not sure why he died. Fast forward to week 6 of hypo- started to raise up to 1.025 over 2 weeks. I was not in a rush, didn't want to shock fish. Friday I noticed the Achilles rubbing on the pvc, thought Hmmmm. This morning the Pakistani butterfly has a few white salt-like sprinkles. This is now about 9 weeks after starting hypo.

The fish are too big to do TTM. I am going copper next week in the display -.04% for 4 weeks. I guess this is the way to go as I have no corals, and the rocks are in the 125 right now so copper here I come.


Please consider this thread if you go hypo. I thought I nailed it but did not. I really tried to do everything right, and thought the people who failed before me did something wrong. I don't thing I did anything wrong except assuming hypo would kill all the ich. The next step would be to make the fish tank into a china cabinet. This hobby can be very frustrating. And I thought racing was expensive. :headwally:


Frustrated,

Chris
 
Very happy I went with copper for my current battle however that is not all flowers either. My qt has tons of hiding places pvc etc however my yellow tang and coral beauty are fighting like crazy all of a sudden my pair of clowns pretty much quit eating my royal grammar barely eats I am honestly kind of expecting almost a complete wipe out from this dam ich stuff!!
 
I never liked anything about hypo therefore never tried it. Too much risk & unknowns. I see many more failure threads about hypo than successes so I try to mention that to people who inquire about it.

Cupramine is very safe imo, & TT very reliable as well if done correctly.

Treating the display how ever is difficult because the fish are staying there after the treatment is over. I would suggest 12 weeks (or more) for any treatment happening where a fish will stay inside the same system after the treatment.

Remember that ich has been scientifically documented to stay in its cyst form (at which time hypo or copper or cp is ineffective at killing it) for up to 72 days. There's no way to prove that there has never been a cyst that has taken longer than 72 days to rupture. I have treated copper for over 6 weeks in my display only to have ich return after. Fyi I more recently ran it for over 12 weeks & believe I beat it this time. No fish deaths.
 
^^ well you sir seem to be the person I am looking to talk to! I currently have 5 fish in a 30 gallon qt running cup ravine at about .4. Is that a good level? I have brought the copper up over the course of a week and now my fish slowly seem to be wasting away. They hardly had any inch I noticed it really early as I always watch each fish everyday to check health and water parameters etc daily. I don't want to be a failure ha. Anyway I have 2 clowns and a yellow tang coral beauty and a royal gramma and they don't seem to be doing great. Clowns are almost lethargic not eating etc. Temp is 78 no ammonia using ammonia badge etc don't know what I'm doing wrong. Everyone says cupramine is great however I am not impressed but maybe it's my fault? Any advice or help would be awesome!
 
Sorry, but not surprised. Years ago, hypo was always (at least in my circles) the 1st choice for ich. Not anymore. Not only is hypo extremely demanding; I'm convinced that strains of ich have become immune to the 1.008 SG that seems tro be the standard now. Of course, on RC we don't hear about every case; but success stories seem few and far between and problems with hypo seem to be the norm.
 
^^ well you sir seem to be the person I am looking to talk to! I currently have 5 fish in a 30 gallon qt running cup ravine at about .4. Is that a good level? I have brought the copper up over the course of a week and now my fish slowly seem to be wasting away. They hardly had any inch I noticed it really early as I always watch each fish everyday to check health and water parameters etc daily. I don't want to be a failure ha. Anyway I have 2 clowns and a yellow tang coral beauty and a royal gramma and they don't seem to be doing great. Clowns are almost lethargic not eating etc. Temp is 78 no ammonia using ammonia badge etc don't know what I'm doing wrong. Everyone says cupramine is great however I am not impressed but maybe it's my fault? Any advice or help would be awesome!

Please start your own thread. You'll get a lot more help and its much easier for folks to follow when we only deal with one person's problem at a time.
 
I will be using Cupramine by Seachem and Seachem's copper test kit.

Some good news is that the Aiptasia in my sump is NOT resistant to hypo and is completely wiped out! Small victories, but a victory none the less.
 
Hyposalinity does work. It worked for me before. Just need to maintain 1.007-8 for at least 6 weeks AFTER all visible ich signs are gone. The more the better. I assume your DT have sand?

I used bare bottom and siphoned all the bottom every week when doing a water change.
 
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