Mycedium Robokaki...who has one?
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MinibowMatt
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nope. I was just making a point.
I dont buy them at the prices RC users sell them for.
If i find a good deal on a piece I want, LE or not, I will buy it. However, I dont frag and sell, so it doesnt matter. Im not in this hobby to make money.
I dont buy them at the prices RC users sell them for.
If i find a good deal on a piece I want, LE or not, I will buy it. However, I dont frag and sell, so it doesnt matter. Im not in this hobby to make money.
roblack
Active member
My LFS's rarely to never have LE looking stuff when it comes to chalices, favias, acans, and micros. Just never see them. That's why I buy online and pick up alot of LE's and non LE's if they look good. Don't really care too much about lineage as long as they are awesome corals, but like Darrel says, it sure makes it easier to sell and trade frags if they are LEs.
All Delight
New member
I think RC is one of the better places to buy them. Or at least from RC users. Like anything else, there are some great reefers here, and there are some bad ones.
I've gotten some nice deals from a few, and have given some in return. If you know the person its a good chance you'll get a better deal then from someone you don't know.
However, I think living in So Cal I have an advantage of living within driving distance to some of the people who have LE corals linked to them. I get alot of mine from the source, so I have no question as to the authenicity of lineage.
MinibowMatt
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it is one of the better places, and sometimes the only place. However, many RC sellers are trying to make a buck. Lots arent. I deal with the ones who arent.
MinibowMatt
Active member
which contradiction is that?
Im tired of this whole "coral craze" crap, and you guys just keep pushing it. The hobby would be better off with out it. You would have less corals being unecessarily fragged time and time again, most before they have even healed.. these crazes and naming and LE stuff just pushes those who have a coral to cut it up for money.
Explain to me, how that is good for the hobby. Dont call it propagation either. Joe Shmoe out there with crappy lighting and no brains will see it here, go out and buy something "in the craze" and cut it up just to try and pay off his hobby or get better lights.... thats not right.
These corals deserve better than that.
Im tired of this whole "coral craze" crap, and you guys just keep pushing it. The hobby would be better off with out it. You would have less corals being unecessarily fragged time and time again, most before they have even healed.. these crazes and naming and LE stuff just pushes those who have a coral to cut it up for money.
Explain to me, how that is good for the hobby. Dont call it propagation either. Joe Shmoe out there with crappy lighting and no brains will see it here, go out and buy something "in the craze" and cut it up just to try and pay off his hobby or get better lights.... thats not right.
These corals deserve better than that.
143gadgets
New member
I'l put u all in line for a frag if you want. Should have it next week.
kev apsley
In Memoriam
Yeah, post pictures once you get it!
Most sellers on here are offer awful deals, frag packs that average around $300. There's a lot of suckers on here that will pay any price if the seller writes "RARE" or "LE!!!". It's surprising to so many sheep on here that wont speak up, but then I guess these are the same people that plan on doing the same thing....:eek1:
roblack
Active member
MinniMatt, why so upset? And why do you say, "that's not right" for people to frag their corals and sell/trade them? Maybe I am confused. I think it is great for the hobby, and most of us could use a little money back or frags in trade to counterbalance all of the $ we have already spent. Most people on this forum are adults that are able to make choices for themselves, and if they want something and can pay for it, what is the big deal?
Justin74
New member
I cant speak for MinibowMatt, but for myself I can relate. It is disheartening and I believe counterproductive to the hobby. It does seem to be dying down as people are opening there eyes to better alternatives, but still is prevelant. Moreso on ebay though as opposed to RC. RC members can be unforgiving and quite vocal is the only reason that it is on a smaller scale though IMO, as well as our good Admins hard at work weeding these types of people out of the forums, but is a slow diplomatic process with many falling through the cracks just the same.
Heres the example I think Matt and I are disgusted with. Someone buys a frag, like the one we just saw on ebay. A modest but decent sized, but keyword: frag. Now, is when it can get potentially ugly. That person sees the popularity, and rather than by the frag for themselves. They bust up a 2" frag into about ten 1/4" peices and turn around and sell them out for as much as he bought the whole peice for, or more often than not, double. The motive in this example is obviously money. Not to spread the wealth and comradery of the hobby. But to exploit a faction of it.
It is when fragging/selling turns into a stock market, rather than a hobby is what I'm speaking of and what I think Matt may be eluding to.
-Justin
roblack
Active member
I hear you Justin, there seems to be people taking advantage of opportunities everywhere you look. Cannot argue with you on that, and your example reflects a sad trend that some people have chosen to follow. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water though. There are plenty of honest people simply trying to share the wealth or recoup some of their cost in selling frags. Some people see buying LEs as making an investment, so it can be a bit like a "stock market". Is that really so awful if they are offering fair deals and are willing to frag their prized LEs? Am I going to get blasted and flamed if I offer frags of some of my LE and non LE corals? I think it really comes down to the individual(s), not the practice itself.
Racing1
New member
I agree whole heartedly... They don't seem to understand that It would be so much nicer to see that item grow in their tank into a nice mother colony.... I don't mind fragging something, but to turn a mother colony of one particular item into many small frags that probably 40-50% of the time end up dying just to make money to me is rediculous....
Why not make a few less frags that are say 4-5 inches instead of 1/2 an inch and have the chance of a better survival rate and growing into a nice colony....
I guess an example I could use is recently I fragged my Blastomussa Merletti.... I made 2 frags from my mother colony. Each frag had 25-30 Heads and my mother colony still has over 120 heads....
I sold the 2 frags to a local LFS for $20.00 each.... To me that is better than turning those 2 frags of 25-30 heads into 10 frags of 5 heads each, and sell them for the same amount. Yes I would have made more money but to me that is not what I am in the Hobby for....
I feel better knowing someone will end up with a larger frag that will turn into a nice colony sooner than waiting for those 5 heads to grow into a mother colony.....And My Mother Colony Still Looks Great......
Just My .02 Cents
Why not make a few less frags that are say 4-5 inches instead of 1/2 an inch and have the chance of a better survival rate and growing into a nice colony....
I guess an example I could use is recently I fragged my Blastomussa Merletti.... I made 2 frags from my mother colony. Each frag had 25-30 Heads and my mother colony still has over 120 heads....
I sold the 2 frags to a local LFS for $20.00 each.... To me that is better than turning those 2 frags of 25-30 heads into 10 frags of 5 heads each, and sell them for the same amount. Yes I would have made more money but to me that is not what I am in the Hobby for....
I feel better knowing someone will end up with a larger frag that will turn into a nice colony sooner than waiting for those 5 heads to grow into a mother colony.....And My Mother Colony Still Looks Great......
Just My .02 Cents
Justin74
New member
Agreed. In all reality it's probably 1-2% and it's always easier for us to remember all the bad instances than the plethera of good ones..
Over all this hobby is comprised of an amazing mass of individuals from all walks of life, level of intellect, in every creed and color. This could be a perfect ingrediant for a train wreck, yet when you take a look at the big picture it's a pretty impressive how well we all get along and how this train has not derailed, whether we agree about a subject or not, we all are personally pasionate about one thing. SW. Aint it beautifull:inlove:
+1 for humans
-Justin
johnanddawn
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i usually don't comment in these threads but i see the same thing happening here as what happened in the zoa forum a while ago(which i don't visit much anymore even though i still have zoas 
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not that my opinion matters but here it is:
1) what turns me off of the whole buy and chop phenom happening in the LPS world is the size of the frags. LPS do grow of course but in general it is relatively slow compared with most zoas or SPS corals. buying a 1" frag of acro makes sense to me because it will grow out to a nice looking piece in no time but 1 mouth of any massive coral ???? talk about patience wow!!
don't get me wrong i frag and buy a lot of frags - but the direction currently seems to be smaller and smaller frags
2) and the other thing that gets me is when people show off pics of their super expensive LE coral and it and a bunch of other corals are sitting on egg crate - not sand or rock. now i have a tank that is set up as frag tank with only crate too - but thats for my frags of corals from my display. it just seems obvious that these people don't put these corals in their displays because it is easier to frag if they don't grow onto their rockwork. obviously these corals are in a prop system not a display so imo that is commercial not hobby. i buy corals for my display and if they do well and grow for me then i frag them - i don't buy to frag
)not that my opinion matters but here it is:
1) what turns me off of the whole buy and chop phenom happening in the LPS world is the size of the frags. LPS do grow of course but in general it is relatively slow compared with most zoas or SPS corals. buying a 1" frag of acro makes sense to me because it will grow out to a nice looking piece in no time but 1 mouth of any massive coral ???? talk about patience wow!!
don't get me wrong i frag and buy a lot of frags - but the direction currently seems to be smaller and smaller frags
2) and the other thing that gets me is when people show off pics of their super expensive LE coral and it and a bunch of other corals are sitting on egg crate - not sand or rock. now i have a tank that is set up as frag tank with only crate too - but thats for my frags of corals from my display. it just seems obvious that these people don't put these corals in their displays because it is easier to frag if they don't grow onto their rockwork. obviously these corals are in a prop system not a display so imo that is commercial not hobby. i buy corals for my display and if they do well and grow for me then i frag them - i don't buy to frag
roblack
Active member
I really think we all are for the most part in agreement, but maybe are looking at the situation(s) a bit differently and from various angles. Dealing with other reefers means you have created a relationship of sorts, and not all relationships work out well, for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes, people just aint right and do messed up stuff. We obviously are all fanatics and share the same love of marine life and nature. And "Yes" JohnandDawn, we should move to Fiji! I have juggled the idea around for a while now.
Back to the topic of the thread, hope that Mycedium grows BIG and strong! It will be a beauty when it grows up! Would love to see more pics of cool Myce for those that have them.
Back to the topic of the thread, hope that Mycedium grows BIG and strong! It will be a beauty when it grows up! Would love to see more pics of cool Myce for those that have them.
ianiwane
In Memoriam
Super expensive LE pieces are normally SMALL pieces. It is much easier for a small piece to get damaged in a display tank than a frag tank. How easy is it to get a small piece of a chalice covered with sand on your sand bed? Have you ever had a coral fall over and get burned in a display tank? I have a lot of my expensive pieces in my frag tank b/c accidents happen. I've had several nice pieces that have gotten damaged in my display (fish or snails knocking things down).
It is also much easier to give the coral exactly what they want in a frag tank. ie. Light intensity (high, medium, or low), flow, food, etc. I sport feed my coral in my frag tank just about every day. I wouldn't be able to do that in my display tank.
How can you tell what peoples motives are? How does having these pieces in a prop tank make it commercial? I see zero logic in that conclusion, to me its like saying 1+1=3. Conclusions normally have some reasoning behind it.
