Hey guys I need some help to make sure all is ok an if not what I need to do. Last night after lighting went down to 1% for night I noticed my blue angel had little white spots all over him almost looked like micro bubbles on him. An today found him dead. Unfortunately did not get any pics any ideas. Reqlly want to know if this is something that should be a one fish thing or if I might have a bad bad issue. Please help an thank you in advance for your input.
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Fishinizer
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May be ick look it up
Need much more info. Is it a new fish?, other fish in the tank, how old is the tank? Any other new additions? How are other fish acting? How was regal acting before it died? Was it near the surface, facing current, scratching on rocks, darting, feeding, rapid gill movements? Do you have inverts, live rock, corals?
Sounds like velvet or Ich. If velvet, your other fish are in big trouble if you don't act immediately.
Sounds like velvet or Ich. If velvet, your other fish are in big trouble if you don't act immediately.
Ok here is what i know he's been in fir about two weeks an the newest addition yes have inverts snails coral an rocks didn't see any fast gill movement was eating fine but sis seam to be rubbing a little the rock an trying to get the shrimp to clean him which would not. Wasn't darting around swimming normally an so far all other in habitants look an are acting normal. Especially my aggressive clown still just as active an mean.
Ich and especially velvet have an affinity for the gills of the fish. This is where the infestation will have its highest concentration and cause the most damage. Long before you see symptoms on the skin. An infestation of either one means that all of your other fish now have the parasite. Your are going to have to pull them, put them into a tank separate from the corals and treat. You have a couple of days to do this with ich, and maybe one or two at the most with velvet. I personally favor chloroquine, but copper sulfate works just as well if done properly. Tank transfer is an option that I typically don't do and it won't work with velvet.
Sorry for your loss and the bad news. If you plan on sticking with this hobby, the best investment you could ever make is a QT tank with a strict protocol to prevent these common and disastrous infections/infestations.
Cleaner shrimp do not eat ich or velvet, neither do cleaner wrasse. They typically favor parasitic Copepoda, amphipoda and possibly monogenean (flukes).
Good luck.
Sorry for your loss and the bad news. If you plan on sticking with this hobby, the best investment you could ever make is a QT tank with a strict protocol to prevent these common and disastrous infections/infestations.
Cleaner shrimp do not eat ich or velvet, neither do cleaner wrasse. They typically favor parasitic Copepoda, amphipoda and possibly monogenean (flukes).
Good luck.
what I have done
what I have done
OK in my experience with fresh water in the past and I know this isnt the same I did learn to deal with everything asap an ensure you were ready for anything to help with the Problem I know its ICH for sure now and I removed the infected dead fish before I ever started this the second I noticed he was gone, I have separated the fish and the display right now Lucky enough I have 3 QT tanks already running as I was helping some friends with the basics and coral are in one fish in the other two separated by close exposure to the infected. by proximity, and I had medication on hand so all are being medicated, including the rock and sand in the display according:reading::fish2: to everything I could find and put together outta my own chemistry Ill let you know how it all turns out with pics in the end. If I can save half on an infection that made it this far thats a win for me right now an all that would be a blessing let you all know in a few days the outcome.:fish2::reading:
what I have done
OK in my experience with fresh water in the past and I know this isnt the same I did learn to deal with everything asap an ensure you were ready for anything to help with the Problem I know its ICH for sure now and I removed the infected dead fish before I ever started this the second I noticed he was gone, I have separated the fish and the display right now Lucky enough I have 3 QT tanks already running as I was helping some friends with the basics and coral are in one fish in the other two separated by close exposure to the infected. by proximity, and I had medication on hand so all are being medicated, including the rock and sand in the display according:reading::fish2: to everything I could find and put together outta my own chemistry Ill let you know how it all turns out with pics in the end. If I can save half on an infection that made it this far thats a win for me right now an all that would be a blessing let you all know in a few days the outcome.:fish2::reading:
MrTuskfish
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How are you treating the fish? There is nothing that will kill ich without killing coral. LR makes treating with any med almost impossible, it absorbs and releases the med from the water column. Assuming this is ich; its still in your DT, the DT will have to remain fishless for `10+ weeks.
OK here is what I am doing, when I found out what it was and what was going on I remembered out here in Calimesa, Ca there is a fish place called Shillington aquariums, I went over and talked to him as I know that He has been in this for 35+ years and been doing shows and magazines along with has his own specialty products bottled and sold around the world. Anyways I talked to him and what He said and I'm trying is leaving it all in the DT, and removed all my filter media and cleaned it well with extremely hot water to kill off any and everything, He has me running a product called Garlic Rx made by Blue life, its an Ick/Ich treatment that is reef safe and basically a mixture of garlic juice and citric acid. The research on it and what he instructed me to do was a partial water change right away and dose the tank 1 drop per gallon every day for three days, then stop he said He has had this issue before and it works wonders. however skeptical I am of it I must say this, early am Yesterday I started it and have completed cleaning my filter media and also finished the water change. Today I have noticed some very unusual results and so far almost amazed but not completely sold on this yet! Yesterday at the start the clown fish was hiding behind the power head all day and you could see the little Ick dots moving up his forehead to his back, the yellow tank and cardinals where all hiding and very slow moving if moving at all and breathing heavy. right now today The clown is back to his usual behavior around the tank and curious about everything again, the white dots have come off his back and hardly noticeable on his forehead now, the yellow tang and cardinals are back out swimming around and no sign of Ick on there body so I am very optimistic right now but like I said not yet sold. We will see what happens in the next few days if this works I will post a thread on my Win! If not At least I tried and this thread can be another learning curve. So far my corals and rocks have not seamed to be affected by the treatment and are about there usual activities and staying open except the one I posted a pic on its still the same as I don't know the name of it that's the best I can do on it. However will be doing alot of research on QT tanks as I don't have one and need to now I know, the one thing I did have that I was going to try was a few tanks that I have where I would have been able to setup in a hurry I have stopped that just going with this. If this does work I Have found a product that works wonders as he said if not Oh well wish me luck!
When it doesn't work, and you've killed all your fish. or a few survive and you manage to kill more new fish added to the tank... please consider from whom you take advice. And note to yourself that the loss of livestock is not only a tragedy for your tank, but for the community. People who choose to not care for the animals they take responsibility for are what will (likely) eventually put an end to the hobby. Restrictions are already in place on what can and can't be taken, and bans on hobby related animals aren't that far off given the current culture. Its stories like this, posted in forums all over the internet that will give those who have the power to push for bans will point to. You aren't just ruining the hobby for yourself.
But, your right. Oh Well
MrTuskfish
Team RC
I'm afraid you'll need more than luck; There is no such thing as a reef-safe ich cure, garlic does nothing to kill ich, Its very common for ich to disappear for a while at this stage---then reappear X 100. When something sounds too good to be true, it always is. The entire hobby, and the companies that provide or products, have been looking for this miracle for the 35+ years I've been in the hobby. If this miracle product really did exist---it wouldn't be a secret.
I'm not posting this to say that you're in for a letdown; but for the many hobbyists that are looking for a miracle product like this.....while their fish are dying.
I'm not posting this to say that you're in for a letdown; but for the many hobbyists that are looking for a miracle product like this.....while their fish are dying.
gone fishin
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Listen to these guys. what they say is the truth. While the ich may go unnoticed for a few weeks It will pop up again and again until there is no more fish for them to host on. Unless you keep adding more fish of course.
really the comments, So I'm irresponsible for trying something with an infection that will kill the fish in the tank anyway, Did I say hey I'm adding more fish or more things to the tank so I can let them get it to NO! I said I'm trying to do what I can for whats in here, what other suggestions have I gotten "sorry for your loss"! I did not purposely infect my fish or tank just to kill everything but now I'm somehow the unethical destroyer to this hobby to this hobby and my fish really! When I get from on here sorry they are all gone, isnt the Oh Well! thats not how that comment was made an you have taken it outta context, I take advise from this man because He has saved alot of this Hobbys creatures from those who do not care for there animals, and As I said before I did not say nor do I plan to add any new animals, corals creatures or anything to this tank but instead see what I can save, The OH Well was for the Product Not the animals and read up on it Garlic is safe for fish and corals an not the bacterial infection causing this Problem. If somehow I am destroying your Hobby for doing what I can for this tank then trust me I will do you the favor and if I loose the animals I wont keep going thanks for turning me into the murder of your hobby and creatures I do care a lot about.
also read up on Blue Life Garlic Rx as I have long before I put it in my tank and see what it is and what it does and how many creatures it has saved, I just don't randomly put stuff in my tank Like a Moron. An purposely or Irresponsibly run anything that is gonna kill anything.
Ich isn't a bacterial infection, and your research is poor. The irresponsibility is in going with a treatment that doesn't work because it is easier and less trouble for you. It's lazy, ill informed, and basically just down right the wrong thing to do. You asked the question, got answers that have proven results, not anecdotal stories to back them, ignored the advice, and chose easy. I'm not saying YOU are destroying MY hobby. I'm saying ill informed people who choose easy are going to be the end of this hobby. Care for your animals. Put as much passion into them as you did this response.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1996525
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2119086
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2041951
They are stickies for a reason. I assume you haven't read them.
Good luck.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1996525
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2119086
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2041951
They are stickies for a reason. I assume you haven't read them.
Good luck.
And just to follow up, I'm soured. I read this thread (not yours but it might as well be) three times a day. I try my best to not respond, or not even read them, but I do. And to count the number of animals that get sacrificed because its "hard" is insane. I guess you just happen to have the timing to get blasted, and I apologize for that. Not the comments, but because the comments fell on you. I dealt with ich once. It wasn't fun, it wasn't easy, and it won't happen again in my DT. You get that choice now. Deal with it ONCE.
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