Need help diagnosing 2 blue chromis

ianjirka

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I ordered 7 blue chromis -- they shipped on the 10th and arrived ~9:30am on the 11th.

Of those 7, I had two deaths due to pre-existing issues (history below). Two more are showing some signs of problems and I need some help diagnosing and recommending treatment. Also any advice/critique of my methods is appreceated, it bothers me to loose fish like this.

I've attached three pictures:
Fish "A" -- has an issue with one of it's gill openings. It's not inflamed, but is gaping slightly. It eats ok, but definately is 'hiding' more than the others.

Fish "B" -- has a small white spot (dot) on one side and a red patch on the other. It eats okay, but needs more rest than the others, though less than fish "A".
I have a fish disease identification/treatment book but it's hard for me to identify the actual problem from the pictures/descriptions, so hoping somebody here can help.

I apologize for the quality of the pics -- fish are hard to photograph! Let me know if you need any more info.

Current QT stats:
Sal: 35ppt (via 35ppt solution calibrated refractometer. Brougt from 34ppt at time of introduction and increased via evaporation, then held steady at 35ppt via dialy topoff
NH3 - 0
NO2 - 0
NO3 - .25-.50
Temp 79

History:
QT is a 55 tank with ~35g water in it. Has one PH for flow, and an air driven sponge filter for filtration. Usual heater and PVC hiding places.

QT was prepped with fresh ASW. Sponge filter was in my DT/Sump for a while. I added pure NH3 and once I verified the biological filter could handle it, I placed the order. QT was up for ~5 days before arrival. Salinity was 34ppt at the time.

Fish arrived at 30ppt. I floated the bags for a while, then put all the fish together in a bucket and brought their salinity level up to 33.5 via drip addition over 50 minutes before introducing them to the QT. I dumped half the water after 25 minutes. It went ~1g->4g->2g->4g in the process. No Shipping water was transferred to the QT. Why didn't I follow Sk8r's advice? I'll explain that below.

Two of the fish had significant problems from the start -- one with a damaged eye (was 100% dark, no "pupil") that had problems staying upright. It fed once and then perished from the effort.
The other one had a gash covering 20% of it's side -- scales and flesh were scraped off. It fed and acted ok for a while but perished this morning (~4 days)

Here's why I didn't follow Sk8r's advice -- this is my 2nd batch from the same vendor. The first one I followed Sk8r's method. The fish came in at 25ppt, I diluted my QT to 25ppt and moved them rapidly into the tank. All the fish perished within 3 days. I confirmed with the vendor that the fish should not have been shipped at 25ppt, and they were going to follow up with their supplier.

Anyway, it's been 6 weeks since I did that -- this recent order I followed to a 'T' the instructions provided by the vendor.

Thanks much in advance for any help/advice you can offer.

-Ian
 

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were they all in the same bag? and you need to contact the vendor immediately after receiving the package, take pics on arrival for proof. usually fish are shipped individually aka in individual bags. to prevent fighting issues, severe O2 depletion etc. if the fish were being housed at 25ppt then shipping at this level is fine. your acclimation method was spot on. let me know how they were shipped and we can go from there.
 
Sorry but I can't tell what condition it is from the photos. Though, I would recommend that you dose prazipro right now to get rid of possible flukes (you'd be surprised how many fish come in with flukes).

A red patch can be from a couple different things, ammonia burns, bacterial infections, etc. I would make sure the water quality is excellent for now and proceed with anti-biotics treatment if the condition worsens.
 
Thanks for your time and advice guys, I really appreceate it. Hopefully we can get a good outcome for my fish.

were they all in the same bag? and you need to contact the vendor immediately after receiving the package, take pics on arrival for proof. usually fish are shipped individually aka in individual bags. to prevent fighting issues, severe O2 depletion etc. if the fish were being housed at 25ppt then shipping at this level is fine. your acclimation method was spot on. let me know how they were shipped and we can go from there.

They shipped in individual bags, both times. The vendor indicated that the first batch should *not* have been shipped at 25ppt, though they passed the order on to somebody else, so who knows. They've been very supportive, and inverts I've ordered through them have always been healthy, though I think I won't order any more fish from there.


Sorry but I can't tell what condition it is from the photos. Though, I would recommend that you dose prazipro right now to get rid of possible flukes (you'd be surprised how many fish come in with flukes).

A red patch can be from a couple different things, ammonia burns, bacterial infections, etc. I would make sure the water quality is excellent for now and proceed with anti-biotics treatment if the condition worsens.

I am planning to get a different kit today to double check my current test kit. Doing some reading this morning I agree it could also be ammonia burns, though I can't detect any. But worth checking again.

The same reading led me to "forma-green" to treat a possible fungal infection. I hate to dump a bunch of meds in the tank and hope for the best (but maybe it's okay -- this is the first non-ich disease I've had to deal with).

I know you're just guessing without pictures, but if you were to pick an anti-bacterial or anti-fungal treatment, which would you guess is most likely to help?

Some additional info that might help:
1) The affected areas turn a rust color, are blotchy in size and grow slowly
2) Typically a single-gill is affected next -- gill turning slightly white and gaping. Havn't seen a fish with two gills affected
3) Color is lost -- in this case turning dark blue.
4) Skin looks like it is 'breaking up' a bit -- more contrast between skin and scale, or edge of scale is changing color. Especially around the mouth area.
5) Fish becomes less active (but will still feed, though less actively as the disease progresses)

The disease has now spread to all the inhabitants of the QT -- I'm thinking now I should have been more agressive in isolating across multiple QTs, I just don't have the equipment for it right now. Adding a pair of hospital tanks to the list of things to build out now.

Thanks again for your time,

-Ian
 
Well @$%(!. Turns out there is ammonia in the tank after all -- reads .25 (.035 toxic) via a [new] Salifert test. Previous test + in tank "dot" show 0 ammonia (or "Safe" in the case of the dot).

I dosed Sulfathiazole last night, and Amquel+ after finding ammonia. Sulfathiazole says it doesn't affect the biological filter so I'll continue that treatment -- it's a 3 day course, using Amquel+ to control the ammonia. After the course I'll start and continue heavy water changes as well as Amquel+ as needed.

Now I feel like crap. I should have validated the test kit before I started this whole thing, especially since I had everything I needed to do so. Argh. I hate it when others pay the price of my learning :thumbdown

-Ian
 
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