need help quickly

[avandss]

here we go

i got a pair of spotbreast angelfish and a hippo in qt

they started off with TT, then i noticed stringy poop and prazi was not really doing anything, so i did prazi at 300% (3 days then 50%wc x3) worked perfectly

now they have been in qt without copper since oct 12, i was going to transfer them to my DT yesterday and SUDDENLY out of no where my hippo has cloudy eyes (both sides) and a velvet looking slime coat on some sections of the body, almost a the same size of his black markings

i immediately did a FW dip yesterday, i did not really see tons of white spots, if i look closely i could find little white dots in the water, now i do not know what to look for yet so i can not confirm flukes, also prazi at 300% should of knocked it right off

can this be velvet? angels are not affected at all it seems, timeline does not make sense
or can it be a fungal infection?

i am at a loss, and do not know what to do
hippo is skittish right now (i did catch him for the first time near the top of the tank) the tank is HEAVILY aerated

thanks!

 

[avandss]

i should add that after the FW dip, the "slime coat" looked better

 

[avandss]

 

[avandss]

one more thing to add. no dots, no bumps

 

[snorvich]

Normally, I do two doses of prazipro one week apart. Time line is not consistent with velvet.

 

[pktech]

So is the hippo looking better? What's it behavior like? How are the spotbreast doing?

 

[avandss]

So is the hippo looking better? What's it behavior like? How are the spotbreast doing?

i just did a quick 30min formalin bath not knowing what to do.

his colors are a little better, the male angel is doing great from day one, the female is a little on the skinny side but he is doing great overall. the angels looks like they are ready for the DT (not anymore, but you would never tell something is wrong with them)

if this is not velvet/brook and at this point can not be flukes what can it be? and it attacked quickly

 

[avandss]

any ideas? he is not eating and looks a little pale (more like a few pale spots, you see it in the first picture i posted near his tail)

 

[snorvich]

Review the timeline again for me. Especially if they are coming from a LFS that runs copper.

 

[avandss]

purchased oct 12
all fish come from the same system

nov 20 noticed some flashing (scratching his side, expecting fluke i redosed prazi until 27th)

nov 27 noticed some thin velvet looking coat on him (perfect skin up to that point)

so 39 days flashing started
46 days in i noticed the velvet on the side

yesterday i did a FW dip 4min
today i did a formalin bath 30min

 

[snorvich]

Well the flashing seems to be cyclical which would indicate ich (cryptocaryon irritans) and that is not all that surprising if it comes from a system running copper which can/will mask ich. Normally, velvet would exhibit quicker after coming from a system running copper. However a fresh water bath will ameliorate the symptoms of velvet as would a formalin bath. But if it went back into the same water, it would reinfect. I think you may have a lot going on.

What is your quarantine protocol?

 

[avandss]

Well the flashing seems to be cyclical which would indicate ich (cryptocaryon irritans) and that is not all that surprising if it comes from a system running copper which can/will mask ich. Normally, velvet would exhibit quicker after coming from a system running copper. However a freshwater bath will ameliorate the symptoms of velvet as would a formalin bath. But if it went back into the same water, it would reinfect. I think you may have a lot going on.

What is your quarantine protocol?

as soon as i got them i did tank transfer, after they went in a observation tank and did prazi (recommended dose 5 days, twice, 4 days apart)

should i redo TT and do a formalin bath every time i transfer them?

 

[snorvich]

as soon as i got them i did tank transfer, after they went in a observation tank and did prazi (recommended dose 5 days, twice, 4 days apart)

should i redo TT and do a formalin bath every time i transfer them?

The problem is that TT only eliminates ich but assuming you did that correctly, that should not be an issue. TT, however does not eliminate velvet, brook, or uronema. I cannot say what is going on, if anything, with your fish.

In reading your posting history, it seems, however, that you are having a lot of fish health problems. Are you getting all of your fish from the same source?

 

[avandss]

thanks Steve,

i am sure i did TT properly, all different equipment and i made sure it was 67-69 hours between transfers

all the other fish came from different lfs (after speaking to other it seems they are known to have bad livestock) this batch comes from a lfs that many many people have had great luck with, my clowns and anthias is from this particular lfs and i had no problems

honestly what would you suggest i do? would a video help?

i am really at a loss here! angels are still looking great

 

[pktech]

Steve, in your experience, do you find there are certain times of year where disease is more prevelant than other times? I read an old post last night regarding "brook time". It appeared to me to be a warning about wholesalers ending to flush their systems. It was posted in early December a few years ago. I'm having fun playing detective, lol.

 

[avandss]

worst part, i never wanted to use formalin again!

ok here are two videos



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around 28sec you see the white spots on his sides

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[avandss]

ok guys i am at a loss here
what the heck is going on

this morning, where the hippo had white spots, they are now inflated and looks like it is going to peel off

 

[avandss]

Steve, i would love your input on this one.

here is what i am planing on doing, since i do not think its velvet or brook

first, separate the angels and hippo

and i will go full spectrum antibiotics on the hippo

 

[avandss]

as bad as he looks his appetite is back, and he is swimming well

 

[snorvich]

Peeling would be uronema marinum or brook. But unless you see it is brook, your approach is reasonable. I would suggest not buying fish more than one at a time, however.